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#3147718 - 02/01/13 04:47 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: tasaman]
Tar12
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My favorite though although not as easy to find at times for 300 grn bullets is N120 at 60 grns.Always goes bang. Is not temp sensitive. Bottom line guys is that in order to get a 300 grn projectile moving in the 2200-2500fps range there will be a price to pay in terms of recoil. The only way to gain speed and lesson recoil is by going the .45 barrel route where shooting a 195-200 grn bullet@ 2600-2800fps is far less recoil than a 300 grn clocking @ 2500 fps.Speed does indeed kill but I prefer for it to be down range!Let me ask this...do you really need speed with a 300 grn bullet? NO!I killed a lot of deer with 5744.44 grns and a 300 grn bullet would not break 2000fps yet I had no escapees! lol You do not have to punish yourself to kill deer.

Edited by Tar12 (02/01/13 04:58 AM)

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#3147795 - 02/01/13 06:30 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: tasaman]
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 Originally Posted By: tasaman


Roost. Which brand powder did you get? IMR or Hodgdon?


Hodgdon
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#3147796 - 02/01/13 06:32 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: Roost 1]
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From my research i was wanting to go with the N120 or RE7 local shop had neither... To be clear accuracy is more important to me than speed... I am not interested in pushing limits.
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#3147869 - 02/01/13 07:48 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: Tar12]
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This has turned into a very informative thread.
Just me personally, I've always been more into hunting than shooting, but shoot enough to have decent skills, and appreciate good weapons and loads.

As a hunter, I've never used anything but 5744 in my Savage, simply because I had felt it was the most reliable powder under the most adverse conditions, like hunting all day in a pouring rain that turns to sleet. Not to mention, the Savage Smokeless ML itself was such a superior set-up to everything I've had previously.

Particularly after reading some of ewc's posts (both here and on other threads), my interest has been greatly peaked to experiment more with different powders. Previously, it's just been different bullets and different amounts of 5744. As a hunter, I value reliability more than either speed or accuracy, but would always appreciate more speed & accuracy when the set-up is very reliable "to go bang".

THANK YOU to all who have posted, as most of you know a lot more about this than I. \:\)

 Originally Posted By: Tar12
My favorite . . . . . N120. Always goes bang. Is not temp sensitive.
 Originally Posted By: ewc
300's:

10x and H-322 with a serious thought to Benchmark.

Think I'll start experimenting with either the N120 or the 10x, and plan to mainly be using various 300 gr bullets. Not sure I have the inclination to put the time in experimenting with lots of different powders, and will probably just go with either the N120 or 10x to start.

I'd like to hear more about the pros/cons of 10x over N120 (vice-versa) and/or 10x compared to any other good choice.

THANKS!

ewc, my next decision is whether to replace that Burris Signature scope on my Savage with a Leupold VX-6! Have already decided not to set up a new rifle, but my mouth is still watering over those VX-6's!

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#3147873 - 02/01/13 07:50 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
To be clear accuracy is more important to me than speed... I am not interested in pushing limits.

Same here.
Only for my hunting, reliablility trumps everything else provided accuracy & speed are acceptable.

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#3148041 - 02/01/13 09:48 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
Why 10x H-322 or Benchmark? Thanks for the info. This is the kind of info I am looking for.


Because -
1) Those powders are all recommended powders for the case you are duplicating.
2) They have relatively the same burn rate
3) 10x and H-322 have been tested for pressure and are proven good powders for 300 gr projectiles (see load data and pressure testing at Doug's). The Benchmark is just a good hunch on my part. I don't know of anyone that has shot it in the .50, but I have no reason to think it wouldn't be good. I shot a ton of it in my .40 and found it to be both accurate and very consistent speedwise.

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#3148044 - 02/01/13 09:50 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: ewc]
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Wes-

I have both 10x and 322 handy if you want to try them out before buying a pound or two.

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#3148052 - 02/01/13 09:55 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: ewc]
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If you just want an accurate, consistent load, without a ton of recoil it is hard to beat the standards with a 250 grain bullet:

SR-4759
N-110
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#3148060 - 02/01/13 10:02 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: ewc]
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 Originally Posted By: ewc
If you just want an accurate, consistent load, without a ton of recoil it is hard to beat the standards with a 250 grain bullet:

SR-4759
This is what I shoot in my Savage. FWIW, I sought out and followed ewc's advice few years back when I first got my MLII and I have nothing but great things to say about his wealth of knowledge when it comes to smokeless, his willingness to help and how good my MLII shoots using his suggested load. You will not go wrong if you follow his guidance. My .02


Edited by Andy S. (02/01/13 10:05 AM)
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#3148101 - 02/01/13 10:27 AM Re: Advice for smokeless newbie [Re: Andy S.]
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Thanks guys this is all very much appreciated... My
iPhone will not open the load tables over on Doug's for some reason. Do please dont think I am not listening to repeated advice about Doug's because I am. I just can't see it. This is all great info.
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