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#3144115 - 01/29/13 03:35 PM Other groups excluding members
Brisco Darlin
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Didn't want to post this on the scout thread but i got a hypothetical. All you people that were in fraternities in college(i wasn't) What if they would have told you that you had to open membership to anyone that wanted to be in it , regardless if you didn't want them in. What about the All Black or All White fraternities.
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#3144121 - 01/29/13 03:40 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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Private groups and exclude anyone they want as long they take no public funds -

At least that is my understanding....

YMMV

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#3144127 - 01/29/13 03:46 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: ferg]
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There is a wide range of things private organizations can do that would/do offend someone. It's a matter of how much bad publicity one can take. I wonder what happens when the first Scout is abused. Whose to blame then? I say the BSA would be sued to no end. All that for political correctness.
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#3144133 - 01/29/13 03:48 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: ferg]
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As I mentioned on the Scout thread, historically all-black fraternities routinely admit non-black members. However, I'm not aware of a single social fraternity that places restrictions on their membership at the national level. Local chapters certainly abide by their own "in house" criteria for membership, especially at large state schools, but from my experience at a small university, making friends in the chapter is the only criteria.
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#3144135 - 01/29/13 03:49 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: TAFKAP]
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yeah but you don't see someone taking legal action if they get excluded from membership.
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#3144147 - 01/29/13 03:57 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
yeah but you don't see someone taking legal action if they get excluded from membership.


Correct....but the national charter organizations do not have policies stating membership restrictions. If SAE fraternity refused to admit gays, you'd have folks all up in arms at their national headquarters, as well.

I believe KA fraternity had numerous issues in the past with excluding black members.
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#3144151 - 01/29/13 04:00 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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A private club, such as a social club, country club, etc can discriminate as long as it does not accept public funding.

The Supreme Court ruled in Hastings vs the Christian Legal Society Chapter of Hastings College that it was illegal to exclude Gay membership in the society. Since Hastings College had a Non-Descrimination "All Comers" Policy in place. It also stipulates that all entities that accept public monies must adhere to the "all comers" clauses of the non discrimination act.

Supreme Court:: Gay Discrimination ruling/public funded clubs and societies
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#3144167 - 01/29/13 04:05 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Kirk]
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Annapolis was forced to allow female plebes way back in 1976.
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#3144170 - 01/29/13 04:07 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
Didn't want to post this on the scout thread but i got a hypothetical. All you people that were in fraternities in college(i wasn't) What if they would have told you that you had to open membership to anyone that wanted to be in it , regardless if you didn't want them in. What about the All Black or All White fraternities.


All white fraternities do not exist to my knowledge. I don;t believe all black ones do, though no one would have the audacity to speak up if they did exist.
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#3145488 - 01/30/13 11:22 AM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Bone Collector]
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Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc is a historically African American fraternity. I have never heard of a member of it of any other race for that matter.

Edited by TNGunsmoke (01/30/13 11:22 AM)
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#3145513 - 01/30/13 11:52 AM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: TNGunsmoke]
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Kappa Alpha Si isn't a historically African American fraternity. Historically, it's a Black fraternity. In it's recent history, its been referred to as an African American fraternity.
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#3145934 - 01/30/13 04:35 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Hangnail]
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Splitting hairs?
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#3145978 - 01/30/13 05:04 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: TNGunsmoke]
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I know any group has little alternative but to follow the law, whatever that is, but imo, any private group or club should have the freedom to make its criteria for membership whatever it wants.

About the only issue I have with whatever any group decides is criteria for its membership is when that group hypocritically cries foul over some other group doing the same thing.

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#3146001 - 01/30/13 05:35 PM Re: Other groups excluding members [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Alfalfa and Spanky would have had a rough time with the He man woman haters club in today's society. I bet Darla would sue to get in and win.
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