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#3142295 - 01/28/13 10:43 AM Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds
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So glad for the Tea Party ya right.


Bipartisan group of 8 senators reaches deal on immigration changes

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/.../#ixzz2JI1XPnUJ
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/...ration-changes/
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#3142501 - 01/28/13 01:35 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Stalkhunter]
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The devil is in the details, but there is no way that we are going to deport 12 million people. Aint gonna happen. If we shut down the borders and stop the flow in, this could work. But the details will matter. But if anybody wanted to go hardcore and say that we need to round up 12 million people and ship them out, it will never happen. But then again, I'm not for giving them everything under the sun either. If this was easy, we would just let our wives deal with it.
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#3142513 - 01/28/13 01:44 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Jugfish]
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And they, the Feds, want to register 300,000,000 guns and yet can't find 12,000,000 people? That's Obama for you!
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#3142549 - 01/28/13 02:16 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: ChippewaPartners]
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GOP elite seem to like him(not good). I have always thought he was over rated myself, like the big fatty from NJ

Edited by Dale3 (01/28/13 02:16 PM)

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#3142565 - 01/28/13 02:28 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Dale3]
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If anyone thinks Joe Whiteguy (R) can win another presidency, smack your fingers and toes with a hammer. Ain't gonna happen. There isn't anyone that is really conservative and electable in the same package. Far, far too many nursing from the government teat, whether economically or socially, to pull it off. Whine, complain, kick the neighbor's dog, it won't matter. Find yourself a fairly conservative minority and run with it. You can read it here, now, or wait for the next election cycle and watch it play out. You're welcome.
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#3142589 - 01/28/13 02:46 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Hangnail]
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Where is the part about a high,impenetrable border fence?
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#3142613 - 01/28/13 03:04 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: TOW]
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sit back find fairly conservative minority bull crap, another way of not breaking party lines. Time to scrap this government period.
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#3142619 - 01/28/13 03:10 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Jugfish]
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 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
The devil is in the details, but there is no way that we are going to deport 12 million people. Aint gonna happen.


Sure we can.

You simply make it so that they no longer want to be here, and they will leave.

You think a $250,000 fine per incident of hiring an illegal worker would not shut down the employment of illegals over night? Sure it would. And without jobs, do you think they will stay here? Nope - they would go where they could find work.

If we really do need the workers, they can go home and we can couple this with work-residency reform that bring back the workers we need, but in a controlled and organized manner... oh yeah, and in a LEGAL manner.
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#3142659 - 01/28/13 03:40 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: -DRM-]
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Stalkhunter, you know it's correct. And, you know there isn't anything a third party would do to change it, except give the liberals a bigger margin of victory.
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#3142679 - 01/28/13 03:48 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
The devil is in the details, but there is no way that we are going to deport 12 million people. Aint gonna happen.


Sure we can.

You simply make it so that they no longer want to be here, and they will leave.

You think a $250,000 fine per incident of hiring an illegal worker would not shut down the employment of illegals over night? Sure it would. And without jobs, do you think they will stay here? Nope - they would go where they could find work.

If we really do need the workers, they can go home and we can couple this with work-residency reform that bring back the workers we need, but in a controlled and organized manner... oh yeah, and in a LEGAL manner.


I agree with you. What I don't agree with is people actually believeing that we can go out and just "round up" all the illegals and put them on trains and send them back to wherever they came from. But I'm all for removing the incentives to hire them.

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#3142782 - 01/28/13 05:12 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If anyone thinks Joe Whiteguy (R) can win another presidency, smack your fingers and toes with a hammer. Ain't gonna happen. There isn't anyone that is really conservative and electable in the same package. Far, far too many nursing from the government teat, whether economically or socially, to pull it off. Whine, complain, kick the neighbor's dog, it won't matter. Find yourself a fairly conservative minority and run with it. You can read it here, now, or wait for the next election cycle and watch it play out. You're welcome.


I'm not ready to exclude the best conservative candidate because he's white just yet. After 8 years of Obama the country should be ready for a change unless the Dems can shift the demograpics even more. Romney was very close to defeating the incompetent incumbent and he was far from an ideal choice. Unfortunately, this election was like 2004 not 1980.

So in fact a "bipartisan" immigration bill is the best way to ensure the days of a white President are past.
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#3142795 - 01/28/13 05:24 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: de novo]
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The only way to turn the clock back is for the MSM to support the conservative. That isn't going to happen. Please name a candidate that has the financial resume that even equals Romney. Given the country's financial state, due you really think a populace that would vote, for a second time, an absolute financial midget over someone that could have a chance at a start to the digging it will take to get us out of this mess? I think the days of a conservative President are gone, period. That isn't to say the Senate or Congress is that way, but the urban/minority voter fills the White House these days. If Hildebeast runs in 2016, we're in for it.
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#3142839 - 01/28/13 06:01 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If Hildebeast runs in 2016, we're in for it.

I really do not think Hildebeast could win in 2016.
I'll agree she could have in 2008 or maybe even in 2012.

The reality I see is that the majority is now voting for President based mostly on charisma, looks, and their raw emotional "feelings". Based on these, Hillary Clinton will not be a very attractive candidate in 2016 even to those who might have chosen her over McCain in 2008.

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#3143381 - 01/29/13 06:26 AM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If Hildebeast runs in 2016, we're in for it.

I really do not think Hildebeast could win in 2016.
I'll agree she could have in 2008 or maybe even in 2012.

The reality I see is that the majority is now voting for President based mostly on charisma, looks, and their raw emotional "feelings". Based on these, Hillary Clinton will not be a very attractive candidate in 2016 even to those who might have chosen her over McCain in 2008.


That whats wrong more than anything with the pub's and where their screwing up.
Sorry,but Rubio and Rand Paul dont have it.Its not i dislike them, they just dont got it.
I dont see our voter block getting it either.

How many times are we going to let them beat us doing EXACTLY this, and keep ignoring it?

It dont matter if you yourself likes it, but its a PROVEN FACT!
What matter is what does it take to get the VOTES for someone you can live with.
To all those who said tired of voting for lesser of two evils, they are the same, not going to vote, protest vote! Its still Jan. and fits hit the shan by the truck loads! ANYONE would have been better than Obama.

I wouldnt write Hillary off so fast though, with Bill standing on one side of her and Obama on the other, it could make for a EXTREAMLY unlike you've ever seen, charisma, looks(not her), and raw emotional "feelings" Super trio. People would shake thier hand, notice after thier watch missing and THANK THEM!
SMOOOOTH wins these days

The Dem's know it, its how they beat us, we better wake up and smell the charisma!


Edited by Dale3 (01/29/13 06:40 AM)

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#3143774 - 01/29/13 11:51 AM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Dale3]
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I don't think it has anything to do with the candidates anymore, it's the party. Anything not democrat isn't going to garner the votes because the democrat voters know a change means check and entitlement shrinkage. As long as there is more of them than us, we're just a means to support their lifestyle. When the msm aires all of these "issues", such as the war on women, we've lost.
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#3143814 - 01/29/13 12:16 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Jugfish]
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 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
The devil is in the details, but there is no way that we are going to deport 12 million people. Aint gonna happen.


Sure we can.

You simply make it so that they no longer want to be here, and they will leave.

You think a $250,000 fine per incident of hiring an illegal worker would not shut down the employment of illegals over night? Sure it would. And without jobs, do you think they will stay here? Nope - they would go where they could find work.

If we really do need the workers, they can go home and we can couple this with work-residency reform that bring back the workers we need, but in a controlled and organized manner... oh yeah, and in a LEGAL manner.


I agree with you. What I don't agree with is people actually believeing that we can go out and just "round up" all the illegals and put them on trains and send them back to wherever they came from. But I'm all for removing the incentives to hire them.


What if the government started confiscating the money these illegal aliens are sending back to Mexico? I bet they would leave in droves. Admittedly, I don't know how you do it, but if you could through the post office, through Western Union, through wherever that would definitely making come here to work less attractive I would hope. I like the $250K fine idea too. I had a friend whose father was in the construction business and they knew full well every single Mexican they hired was illegal and did it any way.
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#3143878 - 01/29/13 01:08 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: BlountArrow]
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Start slowly , like cutting them off from draining our SS, (that Americans have worked for all their lives), just by setting foot on American soil at retirement age. Then require the proper documentation to work, proper fines to companies for hiring them illegally, and then last but certainly not least, defend our borders from illegal entry to start with. I may have the order mixed up, but all of the above should have gone without saying from the beginning with our elected officials.
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#3143939 - 01/29/13 01:38 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: MUP]
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If they'd TAX their azzes like we citizens are taxed, I think many would leave.
Those that stayed would at last be contributors to the system their enjoying now for free.
Slap them with a SS#, make them pay taxes like the rest of us, and bust employers azzes that don't collect.
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#3143985 - 01/29/13 02:07 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: sgtwebb1]
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So basically what they're saying is the border is supposed to be secured now.....and is not.
But if they can just pass immigration reform then the border will REALLY be secured.

Please excuse my lack of optimism.

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#3144044 - 01/29/13 02:46 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: preds1]
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preds1, your lack of optimism is learned. Probably didn't take long either. Good job.
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#3144083 - 01/29/13 03:12 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
If they'd TAX their azzes like we citizens are taxed, I think many would leave.

Unfortunately, most would not only NOT be paying ANY income taxes under our current system, but many would be receiving more entitlement benefits than wages.

As is, MOST current American citizens are not paying "their fair share" of income taxes. It's only the "Middle" class and wealthy who are paying nearly all the income taxes collected, meaning the Middle Class and wealthy pay more than their "fair share". I think about 47% of Americans pay no income tax at all, so wouldn't MOST of the current illegals be joining this 47% group?

Then it sounds like a plan to turn this into 53% of Americans paying no taxes, while this new "majority" demands a shrinking group of society's givers "give" more to the growing group of takers.

Totally SECURING OUR BORDERS should be prerequisite to any discussion of amnesty to any of the current illegals. And I believe Rubio is trying to direct this conversation towards securing our borders. We need illegals to be afraid to cross, not just see getting caught as a minor inconvenience.

Next we need major tax reform, totally doing away with income taxes, going from the old income tax system to a new national sales tax. No one would be able to cheat the new system, everyone would have at least some skin in the game, and most honest Middle-class taxpayers would pay a lot less with a new national sales tax replacing the outdated income tax.

This would be so efficient that billions of taxpayer dollars could be saved annually in doing away with the behemoth IRS bureaucracy, and no one would be spending any more time each Spring preparing income taxes. Sales tax waivers on food and the first portion of certain necessities would become a better way of financially helping low-income people (as opposed to getting income tax credits that negated any income tax). For example, the first $3,000 of an automobile's purchase cost could be exempt from the sales tax, the first $20 of the purchase price of any article of clothing, etc., which would apply to and benefit everyone, no matter what your income, although it would most benefit those with lower incomes.

Just think how many people currently don't report earned income they make (especially those working illegally), yet they would not be able to not pay their fair share under a national sales tax replacing the income tax. Very simple compared to the government trying to collect revenue via income taxes.

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#3144096 - 01/29/13 03:26 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Hangnail]
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Rubio was on Rush today. Very articulate and passionate about securing the border first. Rush loved it but I'm not buying it. Even if the legislation placed an emphasis on closing the border, the current executive branch would not enforce it.

Rush also did a segment on Latino voting. Apparently, the GOP received a larger Latino vote percentage in the election BEFORE the 1980's amnesty bill than they did directly after. How's that for, gracias!
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#3144117 - 01/29/13 03:37 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
Rubio was on Rush today. Very articulate and passionate about securing the border first. Rush loved it but I'm not buying it. Even if the legislation placed an emphasis on closing the border, the current executive branch would not enforce it.

While I agree the current executive branch is much of the problem, our choosing to just do nothing just emboldens Obama to ignore our Constitution yet even more, as they "pick & choose" just which federal laws they're going to enforce or ignore.

Should we not do whatever we can to secure our borders?

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#3144298 - 01/29/13 05:38 PM Re: Rubio The Tea Party wonder boy folds [Re: Wes Parrish]
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So they say they can't keep track of 12 million Illegals, but they can keep track of 300 million guns?

FAIL!!!
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