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#3138893 - 01/25/13 12:32 PM I've come to the a conclusion
easy45
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That all of hardeman and Fayette counties are already leased up for the next 10 years for hunting, I have literally spent the last 2 weeks calling people about farms and everything is leased except for a few that said they would not lease anymore because clubs out of memphis had abused there land so badly. I might just be stuck in the same hunting spots again.
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#3138896 - 01/25/13 12:35 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: easy45]
HuntingDicksonDTC
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getting harder everywhere. lost a pretty good spot couple weeks ago.land is being sold
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#3138907 - 01/25/13 12:41 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: HuntingDicksonDTC]
dh1984
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Same here i lost the land next to mine that i been hunting for the last 10 years due to it sold to a nice fellow. But he don't allow any hunting on it.

all of the good hunting land is getting sold to non hunting people and it sucks big time.
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#3139129 - 01/25/13 02:55 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: dh1984]
stik
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i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.
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#3139177 - 01/25/13 03:31 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: stik]
Phil1979
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Not good to hear. I just started looking for something in Fayette to lease.
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#3139223 - 01/25/13 04:08 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.


Can you explain your thoughts? I'm not doubting you just curious.

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#3139231 - 01/25/13 04:18 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: stik]
randy
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 Originally Posted By: stik
i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.
Especially when a landowner "shops" for renters. I see this more than ever lately. Im not going to pay anybody to hunt. Luckily I have a few good places to go. And I will never get charged to hunt these places. But every year it seems like leases go up.
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#3139233 - 01/25/13 04:19 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: TRIGGER]
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 Originally Posted By: TRIGGER
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.


Can you explain your thoughts? I'm not doubting you just curious.


I feel the same way, and here is why. In the past, landowners were willing to allow hunting. When hunters started competing for an ever shrinking pool of land, leasing came into being. It started in earnest when all the timber company land was sold. We have gotten to a point now where land is leased to the highest bidder. Each year it is up for bid again. What that means for most hunters is...no place to hunt other than public land. Very few hunters are going to pay going rates unless they are very serious. The majority of hunters are not very serious. It is also excluding those that simply cannot afford the extra money to lease land.

So, if you can't afford to lease land and are not satisfied wit public land opportunities, what do you do? The answer is....find another obey and give up hunting. It is getting worse every year. We are losing more and more public lands, many private lands are lost every year to development or to landowners who no longer want hunting on their land. It is getting so bad now, that many leases are for a single species. One person or group leases the land for deer, then a different group leases it for turkey, and so on. It is getting harder to get long term leases as well. Landowners are wanting higher prices for their land, and we as hunters are paying it. We will price ourselves out of this sport if we keep going down the path we are on. Well, some of us will anyways. There will always be those that have plenty of money that feel as long as they get what they want everything is OK.
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#3139394 - 01/25/13 06:11 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: Diehard Hunter]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: TRIGGER
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.


Can you explain your thoughts? I'm not doubting you just curious.


I feel the same way, and here is why. In the past, landowners were willing to allow hunting. When hunters started competing for an ever shrinking pool of land, leasing came into being. It started in earnest when all the timber company land was sold. We have gotten to a point now where land is leased to the highest bidder. Each year it is up for bid again. What that means for most hunters is...no place to hunt other than public land. Very few hunters are going to pay going rates unless they are very serious. The majority of hunters are not very serious. It is also excluding those that simply cannot afford the extra money to lease land.

So, if you can't afford to lease land and are not satisfied wit public land opportunities, what do you do? The answer is....find another obey and give up hunting. It is getting worse every year. We are losing more and more public lands, many private lands are lost every year to development or to landowners who no longer want hunting on their land. It is getting so bad now, that many leases are for a single species. One person or group leases the land for deer, then a different group leases it for turkey, and so on. It is getting harder to get long term leases as well. Landowners are wanting higher prices for their land, and we as hunters are paying it. We will price ourselves out of this sport if we keep going down the path we are on. Well, some of us will anyways. There will always be those that have plenty of money that feel as long as they get what they want everything is OK.

I would not necessarily argue the points you are making here, but what remotely practicable solution to the problem would you recommend?
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#3139483 - 01/25/13 07:17 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: Bambi Buster]
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We have hunters just going on leases they do not have any permission to be on and screwing up those that do belong, and it gets ugly after that. No one respects others during draw hunts either.
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#3139490 - 01/25/13 07:20 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: TRIGGER]
stik
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 Originally Posted By: TRIGGER
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.


Can you explain your thoughts? I'm not doubting you just curious.


there will always be somebody with more money. i am not faulting the landowners at all. and what diehard said.
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#3139498 - 01/25/13 07:24 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: stik]
TRIGGER
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: TRIGGER
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have said for a loooong time that leasing is the biggest threat to the future of hunting.


Can you explain your thoughts? I'm not doubting you just curious.


there will always be somebody with more money. i am not faulting the landowners at all. and what diehard said.


I understand that. I love to hunt as much as anyone but my family and other financial requirements come first of course.

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#3139508 - 01/25/13 07:33 PM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: TRIGGER]
timberjack86
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I agree with diehard. Thats the very reason I started hunting public land 5 years ago. I wanted to learn how to bag my buck or bird on public land before I lost all my private land. Fortunatley being in the logging buisness helps me make contacts with some landowners who are great people and have been gracious enough to let me hunt.I dont own enough land for me to hunt everyday on and I do forsee a day I will have nowhere else to hunt but public land. Unless I hit the lottery. I have lost great places to hunt that I never dreamed I would lose.
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#3140027 - 01/26/13 08:35 AM Re: I've come to the a conclusion [Re: timberjack86]
Diehard Hunter
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The only solution I see is ......more public land. We need something in place that will allow state agencies (TWRA, TDEC, etc.) to buy land when it comes available. I am afraid the days of cheap long term land leases are pretty much over. We no longer live in a society where anyone wants to contribute to the greater good. Everyone is out for themselves, but that is another rant for another time....they can spend eternity nice and warm as far as I am concerned.

We need to band together, like we have in the past, bite the bullet, and get a habitat stamp passed through the legislature. I envision it costing everyone $20 a year (resident) and $100 non- resident. Everyone that wants to set foot on any of the states public land will have to buy one. I mean everyone, hunters, fishermen, hikers, trail riders, bird watchers......everyone! That money would go into a fund that can then be used to purchase more public lands when they come available.
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