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#3138205 - 01/24/13 10:14 PM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: REN]
booth
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The old hevi 13 were 13g cc now they have dropped to around 12g cc. So a hevi 7 is equivalent to a lead 6.
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#3138208 - 01/24/13 10:16 PM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Rockhound]
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Rock, I was comparing hevi shot to xtended range which is round pellets of the same density. Sorry for the confusion.
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#3138423 - 01/25/13 07:46 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: booth]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: booth
The old hevi 13 were 13g cc now they have dropped to around 12g cc.
This is news to me, when did this happen? I was under the impression that Hevi-Shot was 12g cc but Hevi-13 was 13g cc? Is this not the case?

HEVI-13 states "HEVI-13 pellets are about 20% denser than lead and penetrate far deeper." Lead density is 11.3g cc, so 20% denser would be 13.5 g cc. I could swallow 13 g cc, but if they are advertising their shot is 20% denser than lead and producing and selling something that is 6% denser, that is very misleading.

These have always been the density values that I learned and used in my calculations:

Steel - 7.5g cc, Bismuth - 9.6g cc, Unplated Lead - 11.3g cc, Hevi-Shot & Remington HD - 12g cc, HEVI-13 - 13g cc, Federal heavyweight - 15.2g cc, and Tungsten Super Shot - 18g cc.
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#3138433 - 01/25/13 07:50 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Spurhunter]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
Andy, I believe this is due to the irregular shape of the pellets.
I agree 100% and so does my good friend who has been shooting Nitro's since they first hit the market 10 or more years ago. We both agree the irregular shape of the shot is a key player in the killing power, as well as the denser shot, thus more penetration at similar velocities.
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#3138484 - 01/25/13 08:21 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
Only thing you will find better are NITRO shells (Production wise)..... they are about $8-$10 per shell.


I agree 100%. They are $6 around here.
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#3138495 - 01/25/13 08:28 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: sellsman11]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: sellsman11
I agree 100%. They are $6 around here.
FWIW, I paid $8/shell last year including tax for H517T 3.5", and I called my local vendor just now and he quoted me $45.89 including tax for those same 5 shells, so that is $9.18 per shell. My buddy just placed an order with Nitro last week and he too said the prices had went up some from last year.


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#3138585 - 01/25/13 09:34 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: booth
The old hevi 13 were 13g cc now they have dropped to around 12g cc.
This is news to me, when did this happen? I was under the impression that Hevi-Shot was 12g cc but Hevi-13 was 13g cc? Is this not the case?

HEVI-13 states "HEVI-13 pellets are about 20% denser than lead and penetrate far deeper." Lead density is 11.3g cc, so 20% denser would be 13.5 g cc. I could swallow 13 g cc, but if they are advertising their shot is 20% denser than lead and producing and selling something that is 6% denser, that is very misleading.

These have always been the density values that I learned and used in my calculations:

Steel - 7.5g cc, Bismuth - 9.6g cc, Unplated Lead - 11.3g cc, Hevi-Shot & Remington HD - 12g cc, HEVI-13 - 13g cc, Federal heavyweight - 15.2g cc, and Tungsten Super Shot - 18g cc.


It has been like that for a couple of years now, het still advertise the same and no one would know it if handloaders had not measured the density.
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#3138609 - 01/25/13 09:43 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
Andy, I believe this is due to the irregular shape of the pellets.
I agree 100% and so does my good friend who has been shooting Nitro's since they first hit the market 10 or more years ago. We both agree the irregular shape of the shot is a key player in the killing power, as well as the denser shot, thus more penetration at similar velocities.


I dont see how.that is possible, the one big thing is penetration, but the biggest thing is more pellets on target.

With lead you break one vertebrae where hevi that patterns better will break 10 vertebrate ( just an example)

Hevi patterns great but i guarantee that if EM produced perfectly round shot it would pattern even tighter. Deformed shot causes flyers.

Square bullets wouldn't kill any better than round ones...
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#3138629 - 01/25/13 09:51 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
....if handloaders had not measured the density.
Did you measure the density? If so, how? If not, who did? If not you, provide the source as I would like to read about their experiment and results. Thanks.
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#3138640 - 01/25/13 09:57 AM Re: Hevi-Shot [Re: Rockhound]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Deformed shot causes flyers.
How do you figure this to be the case? If it is true, one sure could not tell it by looking at my paper targets.

 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Square bullets wouldn't kill any better than round ones...
Our thinking is the irregularities in the shot cut and destroy flesh, tissue, organs and such jut as a serrated knife would when compared to a smooth blade knife. The result is a more nasty wound if you will. We do not have any scientific data to support this, just something we have theorized over the years of shooting Nitro and Hevi shells and witnessing their destruction on turkeys.
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