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#3135781 - 01/23/13 09:51 AM # of Sightings During A Season
348Winchester
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I just tallied all the deer sightings I had this year from opening day of bow season to the last day of gun season. I had 156 deer sightings. Some were probably the same deer that I saw several times throughout the season as I hunt three main areas regularly.
Since I hunt Scott, Morgan, and a little in Fentress Counties, I feel that that is a goodly amount of deerflesh to spot over the course of a season.

Does anyone else keep track of their number of deer sightings? If so, how many and what counties?

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#3135791 - 01/23/13 10:00 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: 348Winchester]
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Mud Dauber
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Yeah, that's a good amount. I'm usually between 75-100 deer sightings per season.
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#3135795 - 01/23/13 10:01 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Poser]
cecil30-30
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Did your daughter get one during Juvy??
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#3135893 - 01/23/13 11:08 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: cecil30-30]
348Winchester
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No she had a standoff with one in the waning minutes of the last evening but the deer won!
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#3135899 - 01/23/13 11:14 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: 348Winchester]
chadperr
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Second to last weekend I had 29 come by in 2 different groups. I had a goood year of seeing deer, just not many shootable bucks. I was probably around 175-225.
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#3135925 - 01/23/13 11:30 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: chadperr]
mathews338
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I see between 150 and 200 every year but this year was not as good for me. just shy of 100 this year.
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#3135946 - 01/23/13 11:53 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: mathews338]
catman529
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I didn't count sightings or # of hunts but I hunted a lot and saw deer almost every time.
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#3135977 - 01/23/13 12:34 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: catman529]
Diehard Hunter
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I don't count any more. It would be too depressing!
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#3136018 - 01/23/13 01:05 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: 348Winchester]
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Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
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#3136091 - 01/23/13 01:48 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: MUP]
deerhunter10
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I had 76 different sits that morning and evenings counted separate had a 6 all day sits. I had 243 deer sightings. early season was outstanding for us. rut was just decent late season ok. I had more skunks ever then before had 4 of those. tough season for us toughest that we have had for a good while. but good season
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#3136196 - 01/23/13 03:12 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.
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#3136199 - 01/23/13 03:15 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
Diehard Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


That is East Tennessee for you. And the farther east you go, the tougher it gets.
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#3136204 - 01/23/13 03:22 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Diehard Hunter]
Appalachian American
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


That is East Tennessee for you. And the farther east you go, the tougher it gets.


You got that right. I did good to see 14 does total on a large lease this year. Maybe it's just me but I'd like to think it's where I'm hunting. I went to a unit L county with a buddy this year and saw more deer in one sit than I typically do all year.
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#3136238 - 01/23/13 03:50 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Appalachian American]
cecil30-30
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I normally see 100+ deer in a season,this year,I seen between 15-20 deer total for the whole season,and that's counting the 4 I killed..I hunted alot too,it was a miserable failure this year..I was glad to see it come to an end.
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#3136272 - 01/23/13 04:15 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Diehard Hunter]
Brisco Darlin
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


That is East Tennessee for you. And the farther east you go, the tougher it gets.
agreed. i saw six total this year and one of those was the 8pt i killed.
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#3136298 - 01/23/13 04:36 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Brisco Darlin]
Football Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


That is East Tennessee for you. And the farther east you go, the tougher it gets.
agreed. i saw six total this year and one of those was the 8pt i killed.
How many times did you go ?
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#3136615 - 01/23/13 09:01 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
Diehard Hunter
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I saw less than 20 and I hunted nearly every weekend, plus many week days after the first of December. The majority of the deer I saw were in one weekend at oak ridge on the December hunt. If I hadn't drawn that hunt, I would have seen less than 10 for the year. I killed 4, but I had to work for them!
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#3137017 - 01/24/13 08:48 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Diehard Hunter]
Crosshairy
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I would estimate that I saw about 40. I'd say I went hunting about 20-25 times. I killed 3 deer (1 in archery, 2 in MZ) and missed my first deer with a rifle in about 15 years - scope mount had gotten knocked loose.
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#3137143 - 01/24/13 09:51 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Crosshairy]
tn droptine
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I only went hunting for the last week and a half of season, out of maybe 12 trips out I saw at least 30 total
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#3137453 - 01/24/13 12:47 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: tn droptine]
Rockhound
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Man i honestly would not say how many i seen, but i hunt every day until the last 2 weeks of season and spent time doing other things. Have no clue as to the # of deer but i seen for certain 37 different bucks from archery until rifle.

I tagged out and killed a quota hunt freebie which was my biggest deer ever.

7 pt, 9 pt, 11pt, 13 pt.

I will have a rough time matching this season
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#3137458 - 01/24/13 12:52 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Rockhound]
Winchester
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Only hunted East TN and actually hunted less than I have in a long time. Dont keep up with #'s anymore but would guess somehwere around 150+ this year. Nov rut hunting was pretty good with lots of deer saw daily in November.
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#3137492 - 01/24/13 01:05 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
Brisco Darlin
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


That is East Tennessee for you. And the farther east you go, the tougher it gets.
agreed. i saw six total this year and one of those was the 8pt i killed.
How many times did you go ?
every weekend from mz on. killed the 8 pt. the day after thanksgiving. was having plenty of pics on my cameras of bucks and does before season.
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#3138068 - 01/24/13 08:28 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
JCDEERMAN
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Never kept count throughout the season as a whole. A couple of years ago for about 3 years in a row, I saw roughly 30 different bucks and who knows how many does. This year, it seems that 80 percent of my sightings were bucks, but not that many does. It will vary from year to year. Especially when you have habitat changes, which we have had a lot. Though only 2 of my buck sightings this year were shooters (for me 3 1/2 or older) and I killed one of them. Most years, I get 1 chance at a 3 1/2 or older buck and that's it. I missed one in 2011 that was at least 4 1/2. Next year, it should be even better
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#3138447 - 01/25/13 07:59 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I had 76 different sits that morning and evenings counted separate had a 6 all day sits. I had 243 deer sightings. early season was outstanding for us. rut was just decent late season ok. I had more skunks ever then before had 4 of those. tough season for us toughest that we have had for a good while. but good season


Wow Deerhunter10, you hunt a lot!

I climbed into a treestand 36 times this year and saw 38 deer, 12 of them being bucks.
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#3138653 - 01/25/13 10:01 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
348Winchester
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I hunt almost every day from bow season through the end of rifle. On days when I work, I only get to hunt for an hour or so during the evenings. I simply mark on a calendar when I see deer and whether it was a buck, doe, or fawn. Sometimes I may not be able to positively identify the sex so I just put "deer".
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#3139091 - 01/25/13 02:26 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: 348Winchester]
Food Plot 101
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I never have kept a journal but I should. I do keep track of the days I kill a deer. I can usually remember the whole hunt and where each deer came from that day. If I had to guess, I would say, not counting the few that blew at me going to stand, maybe 110-120 sightings, with 21 being in one day. The most bucks I have seen in one day has been 7, and got skunked at least 3 or 4 hunts, mostly afternoons.
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#3139205 - 01/25/13 03:54 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
deerhunter10
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I had 76 different sits that morning and evenings counted separate had a 6 all day sits. I had 243 deer sightings. early season was outstanding for us. rut was just decent late season ok. I had more skunks ever then before had 4 of those. tough season for us toughest that we have had for a good while. but good season


Wow Deerhunter10, you hunt a lot!

I climbed into a treestand 36 times this year and saw 38 deer, 12 of them being bucks.

I am lucky enough to be able to. im in college, so I work all summer and save up enough to make it through deer season then start working again after it. I try to make it as much as I can. I love it to much not to do it that much!
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#3139478 - 01/25/13 07:14 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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I had somewhere around 25 sets this year, most sets at least 6 hours, several all day sets. I saw a total of 5 deer, one of which I killed and the other four were on the same day I killed the 4-1/2 year old eight point. It's tough hunting these mountains of East Tennessee but somehow I manage to get-r-done every year. I still say if you can come to the mountains of East Tennessee and kill mature deer, year after year, you can kill a mature deer anywhere in Tennessee and probably the United States.
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#3139766 - 01/25/13 10:08 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
im in college, so I work all summer and save up enough to make it through deer season then start working again after it.


Now that's a man who knows what's important in life! Keep it up and don't ever let a woman change your ways! \:\)
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#3139771 - 01/25/13 10:10 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: high country]
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 Originally Posted By: high country
I had somewhere around 25 sets this year, most sets at least 6 hours, several all day sets. I saw a total of 5 deer...


Wow man, I admire you persistence.


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I still say if you can come to the mountains of East Tennessee and kill mature deer, year after year, you can kill a mature deer anywhere in Tennessee and probably the United States.


I agree 100%. Toughest hunting there is anywhere in America. I admire anyone who can kill mature bucks out of those mountains. Too tough a hunt for me.
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#3139875 - 01/25/13 11:39 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
deerhunter10
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
im in college, so I work all summer and save up enough to make it through deer season then start working again after it.


Now that's a man who knows what's important in life! Keep it up and don't ever let a woman change your ways! \:\)

haha gotta find a women that loves it like I do!
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#3139878 - 01/25/13 11:43 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
im in college, so I work all summer and save up enough to make it through deer season then start working again after it.


Now that's a man who knows what's important in life! Keep it up and don't ever let a woman change your ways! \:\)

haha gotta find a women that loves it like I do!
Same here, there dont seem to be a lot of em. But I say enjoy being single till she comes along. More free time now to hunt and fish, rather than wasting it with a woman who isn't the right one.
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#3139894 - 01/26/13 12:33 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: catman529]
deerhunter10
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^^^^^^ absolutely man less expensive to!
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#3139918 - 01/26/13 05:19 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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Humphrey Co. - 157 deer sighted in the month of November. Hunted
2 1/2 days in Oct. - 1 deer sighted. Hunted 3 1/2 days in Dec. - 3 deer sighted. Total - 161.

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#3140065 - 01/26/13 09:25 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BUCKTOOF]
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 Originally Posted By: BUCKTOOF
Humphrey Co. - 157 deer sighted in the month of November. Hunted
2 1/2 days in Oct. - 1 deer sighted. Hunted 3 1/2 days in Dec. - 3 deer sighted. Total - 161.


BUCKTOOF,

How many days did you hunt in November to rackup those 157 deer sightings? Are you hunting an agricultural area?
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#3140067 - 01/26/13 09:26 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
^^^^^^ absolutely man less expensive to!


You said a mouthful there. I don't care what you spend on hunting, it's always going to be less than what marriage eventually costs! ;\)
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#3140551 - 01/26/13 06:34 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


That is East Tennessee for you. And the farther east you go, the tougher it gets.
agreed. i saw six total this year and one of those was the 8pt i killed.
How many times did you go ?
every weekend from mz on. killed the 8 pt. the day after thanksgiving. was having plenty of pics on my cameras of bucks and does before season.
Wow,thats tough,I see way, way more than that in Perry co.
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#3142586 - 01/28/13 02:44 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
Brisco Darlin
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my cousin hunts in perry and he's killed some nice bucks. it does get discouraging hearing about the number of deer people on here see and i think i've taken a time warp back to when i started in the early 70's. Hey i saw a track today. \:D
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#3142992 - 01/28/13 07:49 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Brisco Darlin]
BUCKTOOF
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BSK, I hunted 24 days, a.m. & p.m. I had to work 11/19 - 11/21.
It is hardwoods in an agricultural area that has a few clear-cuts that border the hardwoods. My hunting partner hunted 17 days and saw 121 deer. I am sure we saw some or most of the same deer over and over.

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#3143017 - 01/28/13 08:08 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BUCKTOOF]
Master Chief
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No tellin how many times I hunted. I'm sure I seen about 150 total.
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#3148035 - 02/01/13 09:42 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BUCKTOOF]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: BUCKTOOF
BSK, I hunted 24 days, a.m. & p.m. I had to work 11/19 - 11/21.
It is hardwoods in an agricultural area that has a few clear-cuts that border the hardwoods. My hunting partner hunted 17 days and saw 121 deer. I am sure we saw some or most of the same deer over and over.


Dang that's a lot of deer sightings!
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#3148141 - 02/01/13 11:06 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
BUCKTOOF
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BSK, It is and I am fortunate and blessed. I have kept records the past few yr's, nothing as indepth as your records though. Yearly sightings have range between 90-120, this yr was the most we have seen in one season. Out of the # of deer sighted, there were only 2 really good bucks seen-(same way last yr), and they were seen only once. Neither presented a shot opportunity. As far as I know, they are still walking. Lots of spikes, 3's, 4's, 5s and 6's, a few young 8's though.
I think we are like the "Pre-School" for deer. We unintentionally educate them. We let them walk to grow for next yr. Then, for the most part, seems they move on up to "High School"-(surrounding properties) and meet their maker...

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#3148182 - 02/01/13 11:37 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BUCKTOOF]
BSK
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You are fortunate and blessed BUCKTOOF. On average over the last 10 years during just the rut month of November, on my place it took:

2.6 hours of hunting time to see a deer (any sex or age)

8.3 hours of hunting time to see an antlered buck

20.8 hours of hunting time to see a buck 2 1/2 years old or older

66.7 hours of hunting time to see a buck 3 1/2 years old or older.
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#3148260 - 02/01/13 01:01 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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bsk that's awesome information! how do you keep it on the computer or hand written?
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#3148495 - 02/01/13 05:56 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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bsk that's awesome information! how do you keep it on the computer or hand written?


I've got the most complex observation, weather, and harvest databases you could ever imagine. Every time a hunter hunts my place, 50+ pieces of information may be entered into all the databases, including sunrise, sunset, moonrise and set, percent of the moon's surface illuminated, moon phase, all weather conditions (wind direction and speed, high and low temp for the day, etc.), what stand the person hunted (GPSed positions), the time they got on and off the stand, the exact minute they saw each deer, the sex/age of each deer seen, each observed buck's photo census ID#, whether each deer was within weapon range, whether a shot was attempted or passed, how many shots were taken and the results, the distance of each shot, and on and on...

Years ago, I worked developing relational databases for the U.S. Census Bureau. Still do it for fun.
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#3148755 - 02/01/13 09:44 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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wow I thought I was doing good with my information, I just started it in depth this year. but all of thst blows mine away big time lol. but that's awesome way to learn about your farm and deer herd!
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#3148946 - 02/02/13 08:04 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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wow I thought I was doing good with my information, I just started it in depth this year. but all of thst blows mine away big time lol. but that's awesome way to learn about your farm and deer herd!


Dat collection like that can teach you a great deal about the physical condition and social structure of your deer herd. However, don't count out all of the things this information can teach you as a hunter. At last year's QDMA National Convention, I gave a talk concerning how data can help you be a more successful hunter. I gave four examples of how data collection and analysis has taught us things that have made our hunting more productive.
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#3148974 - 02/02/13 08:43 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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Wanna share those 4 examples BSK?
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#3151145 - 02/04/13 09:39 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
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Wanna share those 4 examples BSK?


Football Hunter,

With the QDMA being a "science-based" organization, many members, through the QDMA's publication "Quality Whitetails," are introduced to a lot of research about deer. However, too often I believe they look at research and any type of "number crunching" as just a way to learn about how deer herd biology and management work, and never really consider that some of this research can actually teach information that can make a hunter more successful. So some of my talk was geared towards the different research projects I've been involved with and how results from those projects have taught me valuable information that can be used in hunting. I used my rub density and distribution study as an example of learning how bucks use specific topographic features of ridge-and-hollow terrain in their movements, as well as specific habitat edges in their movements. In addition, I looked at a study I conducted that compared hunter observation rates "spatially" against digital computations of habitat diversity for the area, which found that deer sighting rates by hunters are closely linked to habitat diversity (the more diverse the habitat in the area of the hunter's stand, the higher their sighting rates were).

But beyond just research projects, I want hunters to start looking at their observation data in a new light. Most QDM advocates are taught they should collect observation data to help track herd parameters, such as adult sex ratio and fawn recruitment--as a measure of management effectiveness. Yet that data hold lots of other information, if you look at it differently, especially by hunting location and history over time. I also wanted to give examples that don't require the fancy mapping software I use in my work and research, so I gave some examples where "spatial" information could be analyzed with just a paper map, a pencil, and perhaps a ruler.

One of the examples I used was our realization of just how critical sanctuary cover was to our sightings of 3 1/2+ year-old bucks. A couple of years ago, while playing around with our data and looking for any type of pattern that might emerge, I started looking at each stand location we had seen a 3 1/2+ year-old buck from over the entire history of our management program. I thought I saw a pattern developing concerning each stand's location and a specific type of habitat--sanctuary cover (thick cover habitat we had set aside as a "no human activity" area). So I drew a hundred yard-wide stripe, or "buffer," around each patch of sanctuary cover and then analyzed all of our hunting time and observations based on whether each hunt occurred inside or outside one of those sanctuary "buffers." I found that although these buffer areas only comprised 40% of our hunting land, and we had only spent 55% of our hunting time inside these buffers, over 90% of all sightings of 3 1/2+ bucks occurred while hunting inside one of these buffers. The location of these buffer areas has now become a major consideration in where we move stands to each year, and has led to more 3 1/2+ buck observations and kills.

Another "computation" that has greatly improved our hunting success came about because of a problem we were experiencing. During our intense doe harvest phase, we began to notice that all of our best stands were dramatically declining in productivity (deer seen and killed per hunting hour) over time. Assuming excessive hunting pressure was reducing the daylight deer activity near these stands, we began calculating cumulative hunting pressure over time by location (we laid a grid over a map of our hunting property and totalled up the number of hunting hours that had been spent in each grid-square over the last five years). We found that, contrary to our belief that we were speading hunting pressure out pretty evenly across the property, huge "holes" in our hunting pressure had developed over time. We called these holes "de facto sanctuaries," as they had become sanctuaries from hunting pressure by accident. We then started moving stands into these sanctuaries, whether or not good deer sign existed, and forced ourselves to hunt them (and many of these de facto sanctuaries had developed because they were areas devoid of good sign, hence no one wanted to waste time hunting there). The first year we hunted these stands, our deer sighting rates exploded. The deer had learned to pattern our other stands and were avoiding those locations during daylight, shifting their daylight activity into the de facto sanctuary areas. Now, before we move our first stand for the following year's hunting season, we recalculate this "past hunting pressure map" to see where new de facto sanctuaries have developed by accident, and make sure that we move at least one stand into each of these holes in our recent hunting pressure (we use the hunting pressure data from the last three years). Looking at the results from these de facto sanctuary stands shows they account for nearly every mature buck kill we've made since discovering this relationship.
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#3151200 - 02/04/13 10:23 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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Thanks BSK,good info,and now my mind is racing on where to move stands.There are a couple places we never hunt,pretty large areas,"cause they dont look right" or "are to close to the cabin"
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#3151388 - 02/04/13 01:19 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
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Overlooked and out of mind, equals a great place most every time!!! This holds true a scary amount of toime when dealing with public land
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#3151462 - 02/04/13 02:30 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
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Football Hunter,

Here's another example that may not be helpful for everybody (because it is more specific to the way we hunt on my property), but is an interesting example of using observation data to find useful patterns.

In the past, I had analyzed older buck sighting rates for each stand location and found that older buck sightings rapidly declined as hunting hours increased at that stand. In essence, the more hours you spend in that particular stand location, the lower your chances of seeing older bucks. However, in these calculations, I made no attempt to account for the duration of time these hunting hours were accumulated over. The same number of total hunting hours concentrated into one season or spread over multiple seasons was treated the same way. Now obviously, that must matter, so I looked at the data a little differently after this season had ended.

But to understand how I analyzed the data, a little background on how we hunt. Due to the majority of the hunters advancing age (and the fact we are lazy), we prefer to hunt exclusively from pre-positioned ladder stands. In an attempt to spread our hunting out a bit more, we've simply accumulated a lot of ladder stands! We normally have up 40 different ladders for a given deer season. Between seasons, we usually move around 15 of them (some of which will be moved in de facto sanctuaries). To keep track of all these ladders, we produce a map of the property each year, showing the location of each stand and using a color-coded system for identifying how long a stand has been in its current location. We have one color for ""first year" stands (stands that are new to their location this year), a second color for "second year" stands, and a third color for stands that have been in position three or more years.

By using this color-code for how many years a stand had been in place, as well as the number of times each stand was hunted in a given year, I could account for differences in hunting time spread over many years versus a lot of hours accumulated in a single year. Using 10 years of accumulated data, most of what I found was pretty predictable. "Second year" stands produced almost three times higher older buck sightings than "three or more year" stands, and for both stand categories older buck sightings peak the first time that stand is hunted in a given year, then declined VERY dramatically as the stands were hunted multiple times per year, to the point older buck sightings for both categories of stands drop to virtually zero by the 3rd or 4th time each of those stands was hunted. However, what I found with "first year" stands was a bit of a shock, and will have me looking at our stand map a bit differently in future years. "First year" stands had a virtual "flat-line" older buck sighting rate no matter how many times they were hunted (at least out to the 5th or 6th time they are hunted). Older buck sightings declined a little with subsequent hunts, but not much. Older buck sightings for "first year" stands were still at over 80% of their maximum value all the way out to the 5th time they were hunted. It appears that it is does take some time for older bucks to learn to avoid these new stand locations, perhaps almost an entire season (for our level of hunting pressure, which rarely exceeds hunting a particular stand more than 6 times in a full deer season).

Again, this system may not be useful for hunters that hunt differently from the way we do. But it is a cool example of what can be learned from analyzing detailed observation data. Next year, I can promise you I'll be looking at our stand map differently. For hunting older bucks, I'll be ignoring the "three or more years" stands. I will be focusing on being the first person to hunt one of the "first year" or "second year" stands. And once each of those stands has been hunted once or twice, I will focus all my hunting on just the "first year" stands, as they are the only stands that remain productive for older buck sightings well into the 3rd, 4th, 5th or even 6th time they are hunted in a single season.
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#3151465 - 02/04/13 02:33 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Overlooked and out of mind, equals a great place most every time!!! This holds true a scary amount of toime when dealing with public land


Thankfully, I don't hunt public land. But I bet finding de facto sanctuaries in high-pressure public land is absolutely key to killing older bucks.

For the benefit of those that do hunt public land Winchester (and 102, as I know you hunt a lot of public land as well), would you mind listing some of the things you look for in finding these de facto sanctuaries on heavily hunted public land?
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#3151488 - 02/04/13 02:50 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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BSK, one of my biggest tactics in being succesful has been learning how the deer will use the terrain, or atleast want to use the terrain when pressure allows it. Once I feel Ive figured this out in a certain area, I link it with what I know about how other hunters use the area. I call it hunting the hunters, which is most times way different than simply trying to walk further than they do. The deer, especially older ones are masters at learning where they can go unnoticed, even when hunters are often close by, but very rarely in these lil areas or strips where they have learned they can go undetected! You wouldnt believe what has been killed in lil 1/2 acre and smaller islands of woods where a constant stream of hunters walk by daily during season! Same goes for hunting close to roads, some GREAT hunting I have had watching cars and even hunters, walk by within 100 yards of me and deer either bedded or watching intently to make sure they dont stop! De facto santuaries on some public land wont be nearly as big or as thick as you would think, its the lack of disturbance that forces the older deer to use what is given to them in a given area, especially that has the food they want to stay so close to! I could go on but enough time and space isnt available. I will say however that while some public areas have the deep and thick typical sanctuaries that most invision in their perfect hunting dreams, many MANY are way simpler and closer than most could be made believe!
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#3152275 - 02/04/13 11:09 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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Great information as always
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#3153091 - 02/05/13 05:37 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: ncboyhuntintn]
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good point Winchester my hottest stand this year was next to a county rd that border our lease.I found this stand by accident while looking for another stand.I was disappointed when I saw a truck from 20 feet up in my climber bow hunting the day before muzzleloader opener.I started to move my stand but there where several fresh scrapes there so I decided to stay.The next two days I killed my two best bucks.Sometimes I think we outsmart ourselves,I learned a good lesson there
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#3153093 - 02/05/13 05:40 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Overlooked and out of mind, equals a great place most every time!!! This holds true a scary amount of toime when dealing with public land


Thankfully, I don't hunt public land. But I bet finding de facto sanctuaries in high-pressure public land is absolutely key to killing older bucks.

For the benefit of those that do hunt public land Winchester (and 102, as I know you hunt a lot of public land as well), would you mind listing some of the things you look for in finding these de facto sanctuaries on heavily hunted public land?
just curious BSK, why are you glad you don't hunt public land?
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#3153119 - 02/05/13 06:01 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: catman529]
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I cant speak for bsk...but i am glad i don't hunt it either. You don't got to worry about people getting in your spot or walking on you when your hunting. And you can manage the herd a lot easier. But i have a lot of respect for those that do tough hunting!
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#3153125 - 02/05/13 06:06 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I cant speak for bsk...but i am glad i don't hunt it either. You don't got to worry about people getting in your spot or walking on you when your hunting. And you can manage the herd a lot easier. But i have a lot of respect for those that do tough hunting!
you can't manage the herd and people can walk in on you, but I enjoy hunting public land and it's rewarding killing a pressured deer. This upcoming season my goal is a 3.5 year or older deer on public land, if I put in my scouting and hunting work and have a good dose of luck it might be possible.


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#3153410 - 02/05/13 10:44 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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I don't count any more. It would be too depressing!



Amen on that!

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#3153851 - 02/06/13 01:11 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
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Although I had a record opening day in buck activity, my total sightings for the entire year were less than 15 total deer. I only hunted my property this season tho, no public or quota hunts.
Wow,how many times did you go,I saw that many,probably more opening weekend.


I went every Sat, morning and eve, minus one sat morning I believe, with some scattered evenings during the week. I do put in the time, it's just that there are only so many deer in my neck of the woods. I did manage to kill a good 7pt during ML, and a little broken 7pt during rifle, after letting a 110" 8pt get by me on opening day tho. Great season for me, and keeps getting better each year it seems for good buck sightings, just not a large quantity of deer as a whole.

ML 7pt:



Little broken, actually 6pt I called corkscrew that I had let pass on opening day, but, during a foggy morning saw him come thru after a doe up behind me and thought he was "Big Forky" a split main 6pt that I had seen on opening day and just couldn't let him pass thinking it was him when I saw the similarity, but still happy with him nonetheless:

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#3154585 - 02/07/13 05:00 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Overlooked and out of mind, equals a great place most every time!!! This holds true a scary amount of time when dealing with public land


Thankfully, I don't hunt public land. But I bet finding de facto sanctuaries in high-pressure public land is absolutely key to killing older bucks.

For the benefit of those that do hunt public land Winchester (and 102, as I know you hunt a lot of public land as well), would you mind listing some of the things you look for in finding these de facto sanctuaries on heavily hunted public land?


Just found the post. I've been making a man cave in the basement.
I only get to come up for air on Thursday mornings.

Actually I have a GPS cell-phone adaptor that lets me track the where abouts of Winchesters cell phone. That leads me to his truck, and thus, the good stuff on public land!

But when this does not work out...

SHOE LEATHER!!!

I rarely use a map. I never have. Not because I can't, but because maps tend to tell EVERYONE who can read them where to go.

I begin by talking to as many people as I can, especially the area manager. Then I look for the nastiest, steepest, thickest, most hunter un friendly place I can find that is nearest the food source.

If this place is too obvious, I write it off. And move on to the next.

This does not always work, so to be completely honest, I have to say that finding these "public honey holes" simply takes time and experience.

But mostly time.

And sometimes, I find these hot spots in places that literally make my jaw drop.

Once I was hunting a well known WMA near some thick cover next to private land. I could see an old grown up barn in a honeysuckle/briar thicket about 100 yards over the line.
One evening I watched as a bruiser came out from under the old barn. I later left my stand and bow at my tree (before going home) and went to investigate. This buck obviously lived UNDER that old barn.

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#3154786 - 02/07/13 09:14 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: catman529]
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I cant speak for bsk...but i am glad i don't hunt it either. You don't got to worry about people getting in your spot or walking on you when your hunting. And you can manage the herd a lot easier. But i have a lot of respect for those that do tough hunting!
you can't manage the herd and people can walk in on you, but I enjoy hunting public land and it's rewarding killing a pressured deer. This upcoming season my goal is a 3.5 year or older deer on public land, if I put in my scouting and hunting work and have a good dose of luck it might be possible.


I have been hunting all of our farms for atleast 6-16 years and i have yet to ever have anyone walk in on me.. and noone hunts around us except one and we only kill mature deer us and him so we can manage a lot better then most.
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#3156162 - 02/08/13 11:58 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Overlooked and out of mind, equals a great place most every time!!! This holds true a scary amount of toime when dealing with public land


Thankfully, I don't hunt public land. But I bet finding de facto sanctuaries in high-pressure public land is absolutely key to killing older bucks.

For the benefit of those that do hunt public land Winchester (and 102, as I know you hunt a lot of public land as well), would you mind listing some of the things you look for in finding these de facto sanctuaries on heavily hunted public land?
just curious BSK, why are you glad you don't hunt public land?


Because of the control we have over our family owned and hunted land.

We control who is hunting and where they are hunting. We hunt cooperatively, in that we discuss before every hunt where everyone is going to be hunting, so we don't negatively affect each other. In addition, because we keep such detailed records, before someone choosing a spot to hunt, a hunter will know how many times it has been hunted previously and what has been seen from that area.

And most importantly, every hunter is basically on the same page management-wise. We all know the goals of our management, know the rules, and know the status of the management effort, working cooperatively to advance that management effort.
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#3156208 - 02/08/13 12:31 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Overlooked and out of mind, equals a great place most every time!!! This holds true a scary amount of toime when dealing with public land


Thankfully, I don't hunt public land. But I bet finding de facto sanctuaries in high-pressure public land is absolutely key to killing older bucks.

For the benefit of those that do hunt public land Winchester (and 102, as I know you hunt a lot of public land as well), would you mind listing some of the things you look for in finding these de facto sanctuaries on heavily hunted public land?
just curious BSK, why are you glad you don't hunt public land?


Because of the control we have over our family owned and hunted land.

We control who is hunting and where they are hunting. We hunt cooperatively, in that we discuss before every hunt where everyone is going to be hunting, so we don't negatively affect each other. In addition, because we keep such detailed records, before someone choosing a spot to hunt, a hunter will know how many times it has been hunted previously and what has been seen from that area.

And most importantly, every hunter is basically on the same page management-wise. We all know the goals of our management, know the rules, and know the status of the management effort, working cooperatively to advance that management effort.
makes sense from a management perspective. Have you hunted much public land in the past, and if so, did you like that type of hunting where management isn't much of a factor and its more about killing a wary, high pressure deer among other hunters?
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#3157182 - 02/09/13 09:28 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
makes sense from a management perspective.


And simply an enjoyment perspective. Not having to worry about other hunters wandering in on you at any time of day is huge.


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Have you hunted much public land in the past, and if so, did you like that type of hunting where management isn't much of a factor and its more about killing a wary, high pressure deer among other hunters?


I have not hunted public land since we bought our property in '87. In fact, buying land for hunting only became a priority after the incredibly negative experiences I had hunting public land.
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