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#3128011 - 01/17/13 09:06 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: BigPete357]
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A couple of folks thought this was the norm in Texas. I grew up hunting in Texas and killed maybe 20 or so deer there. We hunted in the Hill Country (central TX), and while deer were certainly plentiful, they were not big. (It wasn't a fenced hunt, but it was a 2000 acre ranch that some distant relative owned, so FREE)

This season here in TN I killed a doe that was bigger than any deer I ever shot in Texas, and a 7 point that was as big as any we killed there.

So, while it's true that everything is BIGGER in TX, and certainly the BBQ brisket is better, the deer there in "normal" hunting locations anywhere outside of South Texas or fenced hunts weren't any better than they are here.

Would hate for some of you to spend money to go down there and be surprised!

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#3131830 - 01/20/13 01:47 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
You should research xylazine, ketamine, and Telazol very carefully. All three of these drugs are used on captive deer.

Xylazine is very common in the captive cervid industry, but is not approved for use in food producing animals.

Ketamine has a very short half life and is approved in food producing species.

Telazol is still present in the meat of animals 14 days after the initial injection. In essence, if you eat that meat, you are getting a dose of Telazol. The Food Animal Residue Avoidance Databank of the United sates suggests that meat producing livestock not be ingested by humans for 365 days after the animal has been injected with Telazol.

This is something the captive cervid industry wants to keep hidden. However, when I took my certification class on chemical immobilization of wildlife, the majority of people in the class were deer farmers. They use all three of theses drugs, and some other more dangerous ones on their captive deer on a routine basis. How do you think they got that ear tag in that deer?

Enjoy those backstraps!



Well, DH, now it's decision time. For the first time in 4 years I paid someone to process a deer. I'm working on multiple home projects and didn't want to take the time to process 4 deer. It cost me a lot because I had about 1/3 of the meat done into breakfast sausage, kielbasa and summer sausage. So the question is, do I eat it or feed it to the Texas hog population? I'm a big believer in being as well informed as possible, but I have to say that I wish you had never written that post. Ignorance would be bliss... ;\)
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#3131966 - 01/20/13 03:51 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Vermin93]
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Sorry vermin. This is the dark under belly no one talks about when it comes to deer farming. You may be fine, as long as those deer hadn't been drugged recently. I hate the idea of throwing any meat away, and am not suggesting you do that at all. Just thought you should know how those nice folks that run those types of operation do things! I bet they never once mentioned drugging and handling those deer, or buying and selling them at auction like cattle. No telling if your boss ordered a certain number of deer of a certain size or if they had them on hand.

I didn't mention carfentanol (sp). They would have used it on the red stag you had a picture of. For lack of a better description, it is wicked. A few drops absorbed through your skin can kill you rather quickly! Not sure how long it stays in the meat, but I am thinking 90-120 days.

In the eternal words of Alton Brown.....Good Eats!
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#3131979 - 01/20/13 03:59 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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Maybe just leave it in the freezer for a minimum of 6 months before eating.
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#3131985 - 01/20/13 04:01 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Poser]
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I bet you age your scotch in the bottle don't you poser! LOL
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#3132040 - 01/20/13 05:05 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
I bet you age your scotch in the bottle don't you poser! LOL


It will break down some even while frozen. The sheer amount of meat, however, would make me nervous. If it is indeed pumped full of chemicals. Considering he has ~300 lbs of it, that's a lot if exposure even if it is tiny amounts.

Maybe you could get some samples tested? For the amount of meat, it might be worth the cost.


Edited by Poser (01/20/13 05:06 PM)
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#3132184 - 01/20/13 06:36 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Poser]
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So I like to crappie fish andI heard Weiss Lake was contaminated and the crappie had a certain chemical in it.I was there in the fall and afterwards my friend called and said "hey,did you eat any of those crappie" I said yes already ate a mess of them.He said they were contaminated,I said,I wish you had told me sooner....Those deer are kinda like that,and Im not going to Weiss in the spring for the first time in 6 springs.
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#3132186 - 01/20/13 06:37 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: diamond hunter]
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I think they had PCP's or PCb's dont know.
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#3132295 - 01/20/13 07:49 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: diamond hunter]
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Could you possibly just call the ranch and find out how recently they'd been drugged? It seems like you'd have a reasonable chance of them just telling you how long they are on the ranch prior to the hunt.
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#3132502 - 01/20/13 09:43 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Crosshairy]
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For those that haven't been to Texas, the Hill Country has a lot of high fenced ranches, with a good number that have exotics. Some are huge and some are just a few hundred acres. Most of the ranches that don't have exotics have regular livestock fencing. South Texas, well, between Houston/Galveston and Corpus Christie is much more agricultural but has a lot of the same as the Hill Country. It's pretty neat, as in different than here in the Southeast.

I've spent some time there working, not hunting. It isn't my cup of tea. Leases for regular 'ol whitetails run from about $1,250 to $2,500 per gun. It can go up quickly if there are limited guns and good animals (for there). I don't remember hearing about leases per acre, it was always per gun. I like the feel of the area and all of the history much more than the hunting part. I would like to go on a Nilgai hunt one of these days, though. I've heard they're dang good tablefare.

Vermin, good story and pictures. I'm glad you had the chance to go.

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