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#3131964 - 01/20/13 03:51 PM Not to hijack,fee for baiting?
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Maybe scn will chime in,and while this sounds like a good way for TWRA to make money,I would think that would be IMPOSSIBLE to enforce.How would they?Walk woods all day looking for bait piles?
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#3131987 - 01/20/13 04:02 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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The TWRA staff is firmly in opposition to baiting. It is set by statute, so it would have to be changed by the legislature.
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#3131989 - 01/20/13 04:03 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Rediculous Idea. Either bait or dont bait.
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#3132021 - 01/20/13 04:36 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
The TWRA staff is firmly in opposition to baiting. It is set by statute, so it would have to be changed by the legislature.
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#3132270 - 01/20/13 07:33 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: cecil30-30]
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Whats the chances it will be made legal some day? I personally think its way over due. Its an out dated law IMO
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#3132797 - 01/21/13 09:08 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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Yeah, the effectiveness of baiting is way overrated. Deer don't just automatically flock into a pile of corn during hunting season. I have used corn all Winter long in front of cameras in years past to get a more accurate census of the deer around the farm but the number of pictures still drop dramatically when hunting season starts. Days go by with no daylight picture at all over my corn feeders.
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#3132817 - 01/21/13 09:23 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
The TWRA staff is firmly in opposition to baiting. It is set by statute, so it would have to be changed by the legislature.
Right,I get that,I was mainly talking about the enforcement issue,seems to me would be very difficult.
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#3132819 - 01/21/13 09:24 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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[quote=birddog]Whats the chances it will be made legal some day? I personally think its way over due. Its an out dated law IMO [/quote Just wondering why? Do you not know how to hunt?
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#3132846 - 01/21/13 09:52 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
[quote=birddog]Whats the chances it will be made legal some day? I personally think its way over due. Its an out dated law IMO [/quote Just wondering why? Do you not know how to hunt?


probably better than most. that has nothing to do with the issue. do people that us cross bow not know how to shoot a bow?

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#3132879 - 01/21/13 10:30 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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There already is a fee for baiting.... in the form of a fine \:\)
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#3132922 - 01/21/13 11:11 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Poser]
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To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.
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#3133014 - 01/21/13 12:24 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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 Originally Posted By: birddog
do people that us cross bow not know how to shoot a bow?


In some cases, yes

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#3133029 - 01/21/13 12:36 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.
That is true..
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#3133036 - 01/21/13 12:41 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: benellivol]
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Sometimes I find myself wondering why it doesn't bother me to shoot a deer at a Trophy Rock site but it does bother me to shoot a deer eating from a concentrated bait site (feeder, pile of bait, etc). I also don't have the same negative feelings about food plots that I have with concentrated bait sites. Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but that's just how I feel.
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#3133049 - 01/21/13 12:52 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.


the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.
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#3133241 - 01/21/13 03:50 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: benellivol]
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 Originally Posted By: benellivol
 Originally Posted By: birddog
do people that us cross bow not know how to shoot a bow?


In some cases, yes


And whats wrong with that???

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#3133289 - 01/21/13 04:23 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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Food plots are not baiting.
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#3133343 - 01/21/13 05:04 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
... Do you not know how to hunt?


Yeah, because everybody knows all you have to do is put out a bait site and you'll kill a monster....come on. I'm not a fan of baiting while hunting, however, like Vermin, most don't take issue with hunting over a mineral site or trophy rock. I don't take issue with it either although come to think of it I've never killed a deer over a mineral site/salt lick/trophy rock.
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#3134056 - 01/22/13 08:02 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
... Do you not know how to hunt?


Yeah, because everybody knows all you have to do is put out a bait site and you'll kill a monster....come on. I'm not a fan of baiting while hunting, however, like Vermin, most don't take issue with hunting over a mineral site or trophy rock. I don't take issue with it either although come to think of it I've never killed a deer over a mineral site/salt lick/trophy rock.
me either,they rarely use em during the fall,I place mineral licks for the benefit of the deer,not claiming I dont ever hunt near one,but rarely if ever seen much fall use
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#3134060 - 01/22/13 08:04 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.
That is true..
I disagree
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#3134134 - 01/22/13 08:50 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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If there was a fee to pay to bait, how would that work on a lease or near the property line? It wouldnt solve the problem. A neighbor could still pay the fee and bait your property line and if you didnt pay for the fee then you would still be hunting illegally over bait if you are within 250 yards of it. Same if a lease member baits an area and then another member is hunting that location who didnt pay the fee.
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#3134427 - 01/22/13 12:16 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
... Do you not know how to hunt?


Yeah, because everybody knows all you have to do is put out a bait site and you'll kill a monster....come on. I'm not a fan of baiting while hunting, however, like Vermin, most don't take issue with hunting over a mineral site or trophy rock. I don't take issue with it either although come to think of it I've never killed a deer over a mineral site/salt lick/trophy rock.
me either,they rarely use em during the fall,I place mineral licks for the benefit of the deer,not claiming I dont ever hunt near one,but rarely if ever seen much fall use


Not that I'm against putting out minerals or trophy rock, I do both, but in TN you couldn't hunt over a salt block at one time.
And you can put out bait, its how far away you have to be, dirrection,etc from it. You can leave standing corn, bush hog it during deer season and its ok, but you can't do it during duck season. There's so much corn in pictures on this site during deer season, makes you think all the pictures are from out of state.
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#3134435 - 01/22/13 12:22 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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 Originally Posted By: birddog
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
[quote=birddog]Whats the chances it will be made legal some day? I personally think its way over due. Its an out dated law IMO [/quote Just wondering why? Do you not know how to hunt?


probably better than most. that has nothing to do with the issue. do people that us cross bow not know how to shoot a bow?



I hunt with a cross bow but I do know how to shoot a compound bow but my health wont allow me to shoot a compound bow to make a confident accurate shot. I started bow hutning with a PSE Nova but my back and arthritis just wasnt having it. I bought a cross bow and still have just as hard of time trying to kill a deer with it than a compound bow. Just because people choose cross bows dont mean they cant shoot a compound bow sometimes things keep people from using compound bows .

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#3134521 - 01/22/13 01:36 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
Rediculous Idea. Either bait or dont bait.
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#3134526 - 01/22/13 01:38 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
There already is a fee for baiting.... in the form of a fine \:\)
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#3134901 - 01/22/13 05:58 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Woodson223]
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All the food plot seed companies emphasis their products ability to "Pull deer from your neighbors property" when advertising their product. Whether the bait used is seed(corn) or a growing plant(food plot), the issue is about influencing deer to concentrate towards a predetermined area to give the hunters an advantage. Yes, it is true that food plots grow for months (or year round for a perenial) where a pile of corn is consumed in short order unless constantly replenished BUT a pile of corn and a food plot both are bait as used by most hunters. I think it's just tradition that makes a pile of corn so taboo while a clover patch is considered fair hunting.

As for myself, I've never seen herds of deer reliably attracted to either during deer season. \:\) (Although I THINK I have witnessed an encouraging trend in my deer FINALLY eating brassicas after years of frustration of growing the darned things.)

And if anybody thinks I'm anti-food plot, I have planted as much as 14 acres of various plots some years. I have put out mineral blocks year round now for 10 years or so and use corn only sporadically during Winter to draw deer in to a trail camera for a census.

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#3134911 - 01/22/13 06:02 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.


the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.


No doubt a food plot takes a ton more work and money. I've spent $1,500 some years and stopped counting in fear that my wife could find out...... \:\) And of course it benefits the deer herd way more. I'm just trying to look at this objectively. For the purpose of evaluating a hunters advantage in encountering a deer, based on where he sits, I don't see a pile of corn being an advantage over say a plot of Imperial Clover.

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#3134918 - 01/22/13 06:10 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.


the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.


Some people dont have a tractor or afford to hire somebody to make a food plot. Either way corn, soybean, winter wheat, its placed to attract the wildlife in more of a natural state. I lease 1000 acres and all of it is wooded except a small field behind the owners house that they dont want hunted. Some people just dont want to know that maybe a kid over on the other property killed a buck coming to his feeder instead of the person who got a trail cam pic of a buck he put his name on the yr before after one sighting in his food plot. Thats excatly why people dont want baiting.

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#3134932 - 01/22/13 06:20 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Poleaxe]
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 Originally Posted By: Poleaxe
 Originally Posted By: stik
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To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.


the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.


Some people dont have a tractor or afford to hire somebody to make a food plot. Either way corn, soybean, winter wheat, its placed to attract the wildlife in more of a natural state. I lease 1000 acres and all of it is wooded except a small field behind the owners house that they dont want hunted. Some people just dont want to know that maybe a kid over on the other property killed a buck coming to his feeder instead of the person who got a trail cam pic of a buck he put his name on the yr before after one sighting in his food plot. Thats excatly why people dont want baiting.


Would it make any difference if instead of corn, the neighbor kid planted a 1/4 acre of Imperial Clover to lure and killed the buck you had been watching? Nothing makes it easy to see somebody else kill a buck you have been hunting but then the neighbor may see you as the guy hunting his buck.

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#3134933 - 01/22/13 06:21 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Poleaxe]
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I would think the lobbying efforts from the food plot seed companies, the makers of feeders, the sellers of bait, etc. all will have major influence in getting the legislature to vote in baiting. It's all about the money, not TWRA.

At least that has been the case in most states that allow baiting. And if memory serves, it was how crossbow hunting made it into TN. Remember, lobbyists are dishing out a billion, yes, a BILLION a day in Washington, D.C. and you think your vote still counts?
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#3134984 - 01/22/13 06:44 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: ChippewaPartners]
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 Originally Posted By: ChippewaPartners
I would think the lobbying efforts from the food plot seed companies, the makers of feeders, the sellers of bait, etc. all will have major influence in getting the legislature to vote in baiting. It's all about the money, not TWRA.

At least that has been the case in most states that allow baiting. And if memory serves, it was how crossbow hunting made it into TN. Remember, lobbyists are dishing out a billion, yes, a BILLION a day in Washington, D.C. and you think your vote still counts?


It had NOTHING whatsoever to do with crossbow hunting becoming legal in TN.
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#3135026 - 01/22/13 07:09 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Poleaxe]
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 Originally Posted By: Poleaxe
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
To stir this issue a bit more, it can easily be said that food plots are nothing more than baiting for rich people. Whether it's a simple pile of corn or 3 acres of Imperial Clover, both are an unnatural food source placed by hunters to attract deer to hunt over.


the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.


Some people dont have a tractor or afford to hire somebody to make a food plot. Either way corn, soybean, winter wheat, its placed to attract the wildlife in more of a natural state. I lease 1000 acres and all of it is wooded except a small field behind the owners house that they dont want hunted. Some people just dont want to know that maybe a kid over on the other property killed a buck coming to his feeder instead of the person who got a trail cam pic of a buck he put his name on the yr before after one sighting in his food plot. Thats excatly why people dont want baiting.


If it was legal you could have set out a feeder too and problem solved. puts everyone on the same playing field.


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#3135102 - 01/22/13 07:35 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: birddog]
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Another thought,at 10 to 11 dollars a bag now,how much would you buy?
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#3135142 - 01/22/13 07:49 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.


So if I bring a bag of corn every week for 52 weeks a year, and promise to carry the bag on my shoulder while walking 2 miles - is that enough "work" to make it ok?

Kinda points out the silliness of the distinction you are making ;\)
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#3135166 - 01/22/13 07:57 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
the food plot is there for the deer to feed on outside of hunting seasons and requires a LOT more WORK than simply dumping out a bag of corn.


So if I bring a bag of corn every week for 52 weeks a year, and promise to carry the bag on my shoulder while walking 2 miles - is that enough "work" to make it ok?

Kinda points out the silliness of the distinction you are making ;\)
No,one bag of corn is not near as much food per week as even a small food plot
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#3135552 - 01/23/13 06:38 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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No,one bag of corn is not near as much food per week as even a small food plot


You have a magic corn food plot that produces corn 52 weeks out of the year?

So what about 2 bags per week? 3? I'm pretty sure my point still stands.
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#3135577 - 01/23/13 07:17 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
Rediculous Idea. Either bait or dont bait.


Agree - if the science for or against is solid then there is no room for wiggling -

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#3135583 - 01/23/13 07:20 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: ferg]
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It's not about 'work' it's about the congregation of deer eating in a single location -

You dump out a pile of corn and all the deer are eating in a 2 or 3 square foot area - NO GOOD -

Plant a plot - 5 acres say, and deer 'graze' naturally - less chance of the transmission of any available germs - bTB - EHD etc -

Now - if you want to carry out your bag(s) of corn and spread them over a large area - 5 acres say - cool -

Maybe the 'solution' to this argument is to limit the size, that is establish a minimum size of what a 'food plot' must be -

ferg....
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#3135596 - 01/23/13 07:27 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
It's not about 'work' it's about the congregation of deer eating in a single location -

You dump out a pile of corn and all the deer are eating in a 2 or 3 square foot area - NO GOOD -

Plant a plot - 5 acres say, and deer 'graze' naturally - less chance of the transmission of any available germs - bTB - EHD etc -

Now - if you want to carry out your bag(s) of corn and spread them over a large area - 5 acres say - cool -

Maybe the 'solution' to this argument is to limit the size, that is establish a minimum size of what a 'food plot' must be -

ferg....



Ya becuase it has been so "NO GOOD" for the KY herd.

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#3135626 - 01/23/13 07:51 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
It's not about 'work' it's about the congregation of deer eating in a single location -


The first guy said it *was* about the work.

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You dump out a pile of corn and all the deer are eating in a 2 or 3 square foot area - NO GOOD -


Is this just opinion, or do you have science backing this up?
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#3135648 - 01/23/13 08:08 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: -DRM-]
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I have never baited deer to hunt them, have no interest of ever doing so. With that said i dont think baiting is much of a factor at all in the Southeast, whether legal or illegal. I dont see it changing much of anything from a hunting standpoint, and its obviously not very harmful to the herd, as KY and many more states have allowed it for decades with no real problems for their deer herds!
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#3135718 - 01/23/13 08:50 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
No,one bag of corn is not near as much food per week as even a small food plot


You have a magic corn food plot that produces corn 52 weeks out of the year?

So what about 2 bags per week? 3? I'm pretty sure my point still stands.
No,but my clover plots produces pretty much year round
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#3135722 - 01/23/13 08:51 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Guess this got lost in the process,but this thread was about fee for baiting,and wether that was enforceable or not.I dont think so.
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#3135742 - 01/23/13 09:04 AM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Fee for baiting. Would you pay a fee to feed the birds in your yard. Would you pay a fee to put some corn in front of your trail cameras in the off season. WAY to many if's and buts to be enforceable.

Same thing for the difference in food plots and putting out corn piles. You can not make food plots illegal. Then you could never hunt on or around a planted corn or soybean field. that would make no sense. However there is a large advantage of having a food plot vs not having a food plot.
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#3135970 - 01/23/13 12:29 PM Re: Not to hijack,fee for baiting? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
It's not about 'work' it's about the congregation of deer eating in a single location -

You dump out a pile of corn and all the deer are eating in a 2 or 3 square foot area - NO GOOD -

Plant a plot - 5 acres say, and deer 'graze' naturally - less chance of the transmission of any available germs - bTB - EHD etc -

Now - if you want to carry out your bag(s) of corn and spread them over a large area - 5 acres say - cool -

Maybe the 'solution' to this argument is to limit the size, that is establish a minimum size of what a 'food plot' must be -

ferg....

And wouldn't a Trophy Rock be the same thing or salt lick?

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