#3131454 - 01/20/13 06:33 AM
Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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jetwrnch
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Coal Creek is now banning all hunting on their 72k acres. They state that they don't want hunters riding around with deer on their ATVs to be seen by non-hunting riders. They're concerned it will affect permit sales. Coal Creek OHV and North Cumberland are connected like puzzle pieces. My questions are:
- Does TWRA have any agreement with Coal Creek?
- Will TWRA now enforce keeping the non-permitted and non-hunting ATV riders out of North Cumberland?
- Can someone with authority talk to Coal Creek about making the area "archery only" if it's a safety concern?
This is a huge loss to area hunters, especially if ATV riders continue to disrupt, litter and damage the area during hunting seasons.
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#3131482 - 01/20/13 07:21 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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stik
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this WILL affect permit sales. i won't be back.
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#3131497 - 01/20/13 07:44 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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this WILL affect permit sales. i won't be back.
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#3131525 - 01/20/13 07:57 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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RUGER
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Wonder if we could get the email of whoever is in charge and send him an email of every permit that he just lost if that would help?
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#3131531 - 01/20/13 07:59 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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stik
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I just sent an email voicing my opinion and informing them that this WILL affect their permit sales as i will no longer buy their overpriced permit and will encourage everybody i know to do likewise.
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#3131532 - 01/20/13 08:00 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Post the addy up and I will stick this to the top.
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#3131535 - 01/20/13 08:01 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Bowdacious
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You can email Coal Creek at
http://www.coalcreekohv.com/contact/
Phone number is 865-435-1251
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#3132217 - 01/20/13 06:55 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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easy45
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I've never been there but I sent them an email, seems to me that is a stupid business decision because instead of just losing a few atv riders they just lost 100% of there hunters but hey, what do I know about business.
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#3132272 - 01/20/13 07:34 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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timberjack86
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I thought about going up there with my friends and familiy this summer. But after reading this I informed coal creek they lost our buissnes.
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#3132862 - 01/21/13 10:07 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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jetwrnch
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My email:
I understand hunting is going to be banned on Coal Creek property. I would like to offer a compromise that will satisfy the concerns. Make Coal Creek an archery only area and sell a hunting permit in addition to the riding permit. With this aditional permit is a guide addressing rules of conduct. One such rule would be that harvested animals must be covered when returning to the parking area. These changes will greatly reduce the number of hunters, remove the safety issues and avoid alarming or offending non-hunters on the property.
Thank you for your consideration,
Darren
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#3132902 - 01/21/13 10:48 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Master Chief
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That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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#3132986 - 01/21/13 11:58 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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cecil30-30
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Makeing it archery only isn't going to solve anything...If they are gonna allow archery hunting,why not allow gun hunting?
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#3133030 - 01/21/13 12:37 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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stik
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my email:
It has been brought to my attention that hunting is now prohibited on Coal Creek lands. It seems you are worried about permit sales being affected by allowing hunting. I can tell you this WILL affect permit sales as I and my family and friends will no,longer buy permits for your area. I will tell every hunter i know and encourage a boycott. There are many other places to ride where hunters are welcome.
their response:
Thanks for contacting me. Since Coal Creek started selling permits 13 years ago, hunting has not been allowed. This is not new and our policy has not changed. Internally, our policy is that so long as people have a permit and are not hunting near a gas well or OHV trail (not endangering themselves or others) we don't say something to them. I'm sorry you feel the need to start some kind of boycott. The biggest problem is that so many hunters or others come to the property (especially in our more remote areas) without a permit.
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#3133135 - 01/21/13 02:11 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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JeepKuntry
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Piss on Coal Creek. It may hurt em, but they know they make there money of the utv's. They can blame trespassing all they want, but more people trespass to simply ride than they do to hunt. Most people that access through Briceville have never purchased a permit.
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#3133938 - 01/22/13 04:43 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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If hunting was never officially allowed, just not punished, what are you guys mad about? Getting all angry and tossing out threats is NOT the way to address this and get results.
I am an OHV guy and a hunter... And I don't have a problem with seeing an uncovered deer on an ATV.
Edited by -DRM- (01/22/13 04:44 AM)
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#3134039 - 01/22/13 07:47 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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brmaster
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why do you need to carry when you are just there to ride?
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#3134044 - 01/22/13 07:52 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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stik
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why do you need to carry when you are just there to ride?
it is a very remote area. why do you need to carry anywhere when you are just living day to day? better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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#3134931 - 01/22/13 06:18 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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backstraps
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Original Post stated:
"Coal Creek is now banning all hunting on their 72k acres. They state that they don't want hunters riding around with deer on their ATVs to be seen by non-hunting riders. They're concerned it will affect permit sales. Coal Creek OHV and North Cumberland are connected like puzzle pieces."
Where did "they" state this? Can you provide a link?
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#3134978 - 01/22/13 06:42 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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jar
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I emailed Coal Creek about stopping hunting, Coal Creek replied and said there are no changes and that alot of rumors were going around.
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#3135153 - 01/22/13 07:52 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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backstraps
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I was contacted back by the manager, He provided me his number and time he will be available to talk.
Basically said the same thing to me....mis-information out there and spreading fast.
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#3135921 - 01/23/13 11:28 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Stalkhunter
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My email:
I understand hunting is going to be banned on Coal Creek property. I would like to offer a compromise that will satisfy the concerns. Make Coal Creek an archery only area and sell a hunting permit in addition to the riding permit. With this aditional permit is a guide addressing rules of conduct. One such rule would be that harvested animals must be covered when returning to the parking area. These changes will greatly reduce the number of hunters, remove the safety issues and avoid alarming or offending non-hunters on the property.
Thank you for your consideration,
Darren
are you kidding me
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#3135931 - 01/23/13 11:41 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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crflash
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How Stupid X2
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#3135963 - 01/23/13 12:24 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Stalkhunter
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I bow hunt but i would never go against gun hunters, dang when are all hunters going to stick together. I see this in my home dumb jackwagon state of new york. Sometimes i feel bow hunters really hurt hunting as a whole.
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#3136771 - 01/24/13 03:58 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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jetwrnch
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The "misinformation" or "rumor" came to me directly from their security officer when I went there to coyote hunt this past weekend. He stated that it would be on the permit next year that no hunting is allowed. I suggested bow hunting because of the ever growing number of ATV riders in the area. It's not a matter of hunters sticking together. Most hunters do both. It's a matter of addressing their safety concerns. I could see where they might worry about a rider being struck by a stray bullet. Bow hunting would be a way to avoid them banning hunting completely or begin enforcing a no hunting rule that was never on the permit.
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#3136893 - 01/24/13 07:18 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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If there is any truth to this Coal Creek is taking the wrong side. It's the anti-hunters who are also against logging, coal mining, fracking of oil wells and oil exploration in general. In my opinion, I think they should be open to hunting 1st and then have OHV permits available for the rest of the year! And I told them so when I emailed them.
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#3139447 - 01/25/13 06:58 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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jetwrnch
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F.W.I.W. the security officer stated that a lot of people were upset about the hunting issue, so apparently I'm not the only person he's stopped. He gave me a very specific list of reasons. I've been hunting and riding up there since before they even had permits and I had never seen this guy before. He was checking permits at the entrance from the parking lot. I'm beginning to wonder if he's just a new gung-ho officer getting a bunch of people fired up over nothing. I certainly hope so.
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#3139794 - 01/25/13 10:34 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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buckhunter42
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I will not return there either....
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#3141132 - 01/27/13 09:45 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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JSPAL270
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I love to bow hunt...but if I had a choice between bow of gun I am taking my gun hands down
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#3148663 - 02/01/13 08:21 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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DEEREHUNTER7
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From their Website:
Hours of use
The Coal Creek OHV Area is open 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. A Land Use Permit is required to access the area.
Everyone is welcome to come enjoy the area.
Membership is not required.
" Everyone is Welcome"
Seems to me that a mining company doesn't want to side with a bunch of Liberals that want to also take away mining....
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#3158866 - 02/10/13 04:32 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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#3185631 - 03/06/13 06:09 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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#3191932 - 03/13/13 05:10 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Scott N
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I never knew hunting was even allowed. I have been riding there for several years now and have never seen or heard anything about hunting until now.
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#3192073 - 03/13/13 07:35 PM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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I never knew hunting was even allowed. I have been riding there for several years now and have never seen or heard anything about hunting until now.
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#3193152 - 03/15/13 06:12 AM
Re: Losing 72,000 acres of hunting land
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Best cover your shopping carts guys. Don't want vegans seeing meat in your buggy or it might get banned.
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