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#3127702 - 01/16/13 10:58 PM Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop
jlmustain
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I'm thinking about opening an outdoor shop. I'm wondering if there are any forum members who currently own one or have any experience with it. Any input is appreciated!
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#3127710 - 01/16/13 11:07 PM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: jlmustain]
arctic_cat
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Whare would it be located?
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#3127719 - 01/16/13 11:19 PM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: arctic_cat]
jlmustain
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Great question! I'm still trying to figure that out. I really like the idea of either Tullahoma or Fayetteville. Some place that's not too far from Huntsville or Nashville, while being more than accessible to most of mid-Middle and southern-Middle Tennessee.

I'm not yet sold on that, though. I've been tossing around Lawrenceburg and Columbia, too.
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#3127775 - 01/17/13 04:03 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: jlmustain]
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Sell service. No way you can compete with the big big stores on price or selection.

That is all you need to know. If you want to make a million dollars, start with two.
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#3127812 - 01/17/13 05:31 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: bowriter]
arctic_cat
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columbia really dont have a good outdoor store. Dunhams really dont carry much down south. There stores in Michigan are a lot better. Ever since Great Outdoors closed down Columbia dont have very much. Lawrenceburg has Lawsons down the road that has about all of that county buisness. I alwayse thought they were priced way to high but I guess when you are out in b.f.e that is the only place people have. People down that way love them. Good luck in your quest though. Keep us posted
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#3127874 - 01/17/13 06:50 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: jlmustain]
MRUTVOL
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I had 2 friends who tried to have one in Fayetteville years back and it just did not work out. They said Walmart was the killer for them because Walmart could sell guns cheaper than in most cases they could buy them for. Simply because Walmart bought in such volume that they got a break on price. Like Bowriter said you would need to offer various services to offset the sales aspect. Now if Walmart quits selling guns and ammo then that could open up more opportunities. Godd Luck in your pursuit !
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#3127932 - 01/17/13 08:00 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: MRUTVOL]
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and,forget about your outdoor life
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#3127993 - 01/17/13 08:48 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: bowriter]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Sell service. No way you can compete with the big big stores on price or selection.

That is all you need to know. If you want to make a million dollars, start with two.


Amen, internet will kill you. You have to offer some sort of specialized service or forget it, even then it will be tough. You familiar with the Maryville/Knoxville area? If you're not I can tell you these are well populated areas where many sporting goods/hunting/fishing type shops have come and gone over the last 8 years or so. Big box stores and internet are tough to compete with - not impossible but tough. I worked for (2) different large (large for an independent business) sporting goods/hunting/fishing shops from 1998-2005 and both are now extinct. If you ever want to talk to a veteran business guru with 50+ years of experience under his belt who happened to be part owner in both of these operations PM me and I will give you his name and number.


Edited by BlountArrow (01/17/13 09:22 AM)
Edit Reason: Had my dates off
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#3127994 - 01/17/13 08:49 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: Football Hunter]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
and,forget about your outdoor life


X2 - might as well be a game warden ;\)
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#3128017 - 01/17/13 09:14 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: BlountArrow]
ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
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tullahoma area has got several

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#3128049 - 01/17/13 09:39 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
Coach
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What Bowriter and Blount Arrow say is probably true for a smaller outdoor shop at least. There is a place called Johnson's Sporting Goods in Adrian, MI...south of them a few miles is Cabelas, north would be Bass Pro, Dicks, Gander Mountain and a few big box stores east and west.

They dropped all of their archery a few years back and concentrate on guns...and they are always busy busy! Probably 5 guys behind the counters at all times and they know their business...they aren't the friendliest people either but I don't go there to be friends with them
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#3128067 - 01/17/13 09:52 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: Coach]
easy45
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Exactly what everybody else said, its ok to sell a little of everything but you need to really specialize in one thing, whether it be archery or guns or something else.
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#3128085 - 01/17/13 10:09 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: easy45]
huntinkev
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My Uncle had one back in the '90's in Maryville. It wasn't a full on outdoor shop. He didn't sell guns but carried ammo and archery equipment, bows, arrows, etc. He didn't get to hunt, was way to busy especially during the fall archery season. That is why he closed it down.
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#3128096 - 01/17/13 10:21 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: huntinkev]
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Personally, I woud not venture in that business as a small retailer, however, if you can come up with a business plan that demonstrates profitability in the face of the box stores, I would like to see it. The problem is, even if you extend great customer service -the best service that there is, you will still have a percentage of customers who come into your store for the service and knowledge about purchases and then apply that expertise/advice to a online purchase because it saves them an amount of money. That's reality.

For example, if you carry bows, you'll get customers who come in wanting to try some new models. They'll shoot them, decide which one they want and then buy the same exact model cheaper elsewhere.

Now, as others have stated, if you offer highly specialized services like a archery tech, gun smith, etc, then you have certain advantages and I think this is where you would make you money. You could also work to become a Matthews dealer since they do not sell through box stores. All in all, you're not going to make money selling clothes -I wouldn't even attempt it. However, you might be able to make money selling reloads, fletching arrows etc, doing FFL transfers for cheaper than your competitors etc. You would need a super aggressive social media campaign, perhaps even a person dedicated to doing that full time.
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#3128233 - 01/17/13 11:37 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: Poser]
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Oh yeah,one just closed here in lebanon,hate it too
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#3130388 - 01/19/13 05:18 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: Football Hunter]
Poleaxe
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I would just start whatever your heart desires or as big. If it ever started going south u cud buy yourself about a dozen slot machines and hid them for play in a back room.
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#3130935 - 01/19/13 05:06 PM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
DeerKiller2012
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Make sure you advertise , hope to see you in town
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#3131085 - 01/19/13 07:06 PM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: jlmustain]
timberjack86
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 Originally Posted By: jlmustain
Great question! I'm still trying to figure that out. I really like the idea of either Tullahoma or Fayetteville. Some place that's not too far from Huntsville or Nashville, while being more than accessible to most of mid-Middle and southern-Middle Tennessee.

I'm not yet sold on that, though. I've been tossing around Lawrenceburg and Columbia, too.
If you put it in tullahoma you have my buisness!!
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#3131727 - 01/20/13 11:23 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: timberjack86]
mathews338
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I give most of my business to smaller local outdoor stores. I know of a few around here that seem to do great. The one thing I look for is friendly service and whoever is working needs to have a decent amount of knowledge.
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#3131802 - 01/20/13 01:05 PM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: mathews338]
muddyboots
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There is one here and he does great. You have to stand in line to talk to him. Lots before him have failed. He is different. He keeps quality stuff that wal mart doesnt and he has it there. He sells lots of pistols that wal mart does not carry. He has the ammo that wal mart does not carry. Also he started two shooting clubs - one for .22s and one for long range shooting. After he got a few people into it it the growth started. He checks in game and has contests and so forth that draws in people. It can be done. Good Luck.
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#3133304 - 01/21/13 04:36 PM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: Football Hunter]
bowriter
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Oh yeah,one just closed here in lebanon,hate it too
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Lasted way longer than I thought he would. I gave him my business when I could.
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#3133985 - 01/22/13 06:39 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: bowriter]
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Profit margins are razor thin. Competition is ruthless. Manufacturers are tepid in their support. People in the Middle Tennessee will not pay for service (They will say they will, but they won't. At least not in the numbers to keep your rent and electricity paid). Everybody is an expert on working on archery equipment and when you fix their bow they will walk out the door and undo all your work and blame you for their bow not shooting straight. Then find something that will pay your rent, electricity, water, coffee, employees, and insurance for the other 10 and 1/2 months out of the year. If you can find the answer to these problems in a state with a shrinking bowhunting population, you will do better than the other 10 or 12 archery shops that have started and closed in the last 20 years. There are No..."0"... Nada...Zippo... archery pro shops in Nashville.

I wish you the best of luck.
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#3134043 - 01/22/13 07:51 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: Hoss]
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Poindexters in Gallatin has a good one.
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#3134287 - 01/22/13 10:42 AM Re: Advice/Suggestions about a New Outdoor Shop [Re: diamond hunter]
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If you plan on putting in a shop in Lawrenceburg I'd base it solely around guns and archery but also offer other hunting gear. Lawrence Co. is in desperate need of a good gunsmith. We had a great one for years but he has since passed away. Lawson's has a pretty good archery shop but if you need a trigger job done you'll have to find a buddy that can do it or take it to Columbia/Franklin.
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