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#3126595 - 01/16/13 12:23 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Vermin93]
AlabamaSwamper
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I will have to say, the fenced south Texas ranch I hunted had nothing like that on it. They had a bunch of 130-150" bucks and a handful of 170" or so. All those 170" were 5.5+ and we never saw them, just helicopter pics of them. In fact, we looked over a bunch of mature bucks that we never saw in stand.

The guy I went with said on some late season hunts there he had been on they actually did deer drives with the guides to drive them out of the brush.

I hunted 3 days before I saw a mature 5.5+ that met the management criteria on that ranch, which was any mature 8 or 9pt regardless of score. Probably only saw 3 or 4 mature bucks all weekend. Lots of 3 and 4 year olds. Lots of them.


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#3126737 - 01/16/13 01:35 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
Diehard Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=icwdmccwhcnews

You can read a little more here
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. What I really want to know is what the deer are being injected with to cause such rapid antler growth and unusual deformation. I've gotta believe there are some types of hormones involved, but I've never heard what they might be or how safe they are for human consumption.


Many times, these deer are the result of intensive line breeding. What that means is intensive in breeding. Daughters are bred back to fathers, granddaughters back to the grandfather, and so on. It decreases the genetic diversity. This is not an uncommon practice in the livestock industry. You may also hear it called grading up.
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#3126746 - 01/16/13 01:40 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
Diehard Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
I will have to say, the fenced south Texas ranch I hunted had nothing like that on it. They had a bunch of 130-150" bucks and a handful of 170" or so. All those 170" were 5.5+ and we never saw them, just helicopter pics of them. In fact, we looked over a bunch of mature bucks that we never saw in stand.

The guy I went with said on some late season hunts there he had been on they actually did deer drives with the guides to drive them out of the brush.

I hunted 3 days before I saw a mature 5.5+ that met the management criteria on that ranch, which was any mature 8 or 9pt regardless of score. Probably only saw 3 or 4 mature bucks all weekend. Lots of 3 and 4 year olds. Lots of them.


You hunted an entirely different type of operation. One where it sounds like they manage what they have rather than purchasing animals of a certain size for shooters who want to kill a certain size animal. From the sounds of things, the hunt the OP went on was on a ranch where they had purchased deer from breeders, transported them to their property, then turned them loose inside the fence. You hunt sounds more like a ranch that fenced in the deer they had, and then managed harvest to get what they wanted. The OP's hunt sounds like a canned operation where you can order in advance a deer of a particular size, and it will be waiting when you get there. In these canned operations, they will buy deer from breeders, tranquilize them, then transport them to the ranch where the "hunt" will take place.
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#3127047 - 01/16/13 04:34 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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You are correct mostly. It was 2400 acres that was actually fenced on 3 sides by the neighbors so they decided to go ahead and fence the front along the hwy.

They did have a small breeding program if you want to call it that but it was deer from the ranch. They would capture every 3 years the best 2/3 year old (normally a 140"-150" 6x6 or more) and put it in a big pen with does. They wanted bucks at least 5x5 on the ranch, hence the cheap management hunt for anything under regardless of score. Buddy shot his, a 152" stud 9pt.

After 3 years they would turn the buck loose (actually just opened the gate) back into the ranch.

Owners were honest and said after 10 years they really didn't see a difference. Their numbers of anything over 5x5 typical bucks hadn't really changed. Neither had their numbers of mature bucks that were less than 5x5.

They did feed protein but no hunting was done over those. They actually turned those feeders off during the season so the deer would visit the corn feeders. I honestly think without those, you wouldn't see a deer. That stuff is as bad or worse than pines and the entire 2400 acres was that way.

I think the biggest scoring buck they had killed was in the 180's.
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#3127057 - 01/16/13 04:36 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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The sheer number of 3-4 year old bucks in the 130's was mind boggling though. Mostly 8,9,10pts. Some had kickers and such but nothing to really add to score. Those were off limits. Only 5.5+ confirmed by your guide was allowed. If it aged younger, it was his fault.
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#3127139 - 01/16/13 05:36 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Congrats!
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#3127262 - 01/16/13 06:48 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: timberjack86]
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That's a beast no matter what the circumstances so congrats. High fence wouldn't be my cup of tea either but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do when it comes to business.
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#3127317 - 01/16/13 07:17 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Vermin93]
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That's ridiculously expensive to just shoot a captive deer.
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#3127872 - 01/17/13 06:46 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Relentless]
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shoot straight and enjoy the meat. Texas has the strictest regs on high fence deer in the country. Meat will be the best farm raise venison in the country.
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#3127889 - 01/17/13 07:09 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: nodog]
BigPete357
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wow huge bucks. enjoy the meat!
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