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#3126047 - 01/16/13 05:09 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Vermin93]
double browtine
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The mass on that 204" is incredible!
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#3126160 - 01/16/13 07:48 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: double browtine]
diamond hunter
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Do you know how much somebody would pay for one of those hunts and where is it??
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#3126180 - 01/16/13 08:07 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: diamond hunter]
bigtex
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How was the Red Stag "accidently" shot? I suppose with Whitetails running around with that much bone on their head a Stag would fit right in.
Congrats on your monster!
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#3126200 - 01/16/13 08:21 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: bigtex]
Diehard Hunter
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You should research xylazine, ketamine, and Telazol very carefully. All three of these drugs are used on captive deer.

Xylazine is very common in the captive cervid industry, but is not approved for use in food producing animals.

Ketamine has a very short half life and is approved in food producing species.

Telazol is still present in the meat of animals 14 days after the initial injection. In essence, if you eat that meat, you are getting a dose of Telazol. The Food Animal Residue Avoidance Databank of the United sates suggests that meat producing livestock not be ingested by humans for 365 days after the animal has been injected with Telazol.

This is something the captive cervid industry wants to keep hidden. However, when I took my certification class on chemical immobilization of wildlife, the majority of people in the class were deer farmers. They use all three of theses drugs, and some other more dangerous ones on their captive deer on a routine basis. How do you think they got that ear tag in that deer?

Enjoy those backstraps!
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#3126203 - 01/16/13 08:23 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
Diehard Hunter
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http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=icwdmccwhcnews

You can read a little more here
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#3126314 - 01/16/13 09:58 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
RiverBuck10
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That is just crazy!! Congrats on a fine buck and for posting pics about the hunt!!
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#3126407 - 01/16/13 10:59 AM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Diehard Hunter]
Pursuit Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=icwdmccwhcnews

You can read a little more here
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. What I really want to know is what the deer are being injected with to cause such rapid antler growth and unusual deformation. I've gotta believe there are some types of hormones involved, but I've never heard what they might be or how safe they are for human consumption.
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#3126563 - 01/16/13 12:04 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: diamond hunter]
Vermin93
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 Originally Posted By: diamond hunter
Do you know how much somebody would pay for one of those hunts and where is it??


It is a new ranch that just opened for business a few months ago. It's near the Oklahoma - Texas border. They told us that their prices are quite a bit less than most other high fence ranches because they are trying to build a client base. I have no idea what our host paid for the animals that our group took. I hope he got a package deal.

Remember - these are relatively short "hunts" (typically 2 days) where you just go in and shoot what you want and then you're done. The only real adrenaline rush for me was the few brief minutes when the big buck entered the food plot and I shot it. A very quick "high", so to speak. Compare that brief experience to a week-long, pack-in mule deer or elk or moose or bear hunt and I just don't see how any hunter with a sense of adventure could prefer to spend their money this way. I guess if you are wealthy and you or your clients have very little free time then this is a way to get some quick entertainment and have something to show off to your acquaintances. Personally, I'm more proud of my first ever bow kill this year (a doe that I hunted on public land) than I am of the monster buck I shot in the high fence. It's just the way I think, I guess...

Whitetail Pricing:
150-159 = $4500
160-169 = $5500
170-179 = $6500
180-189 = $7500
190199 = $8500
200- 214 = $10,000
215-224 = $11,000
225 234 = $12,000
235-244 = $13,000
245-249 = $14,000
250 264 = $15,000
265 274 = $16,500
275 284 = $17,500
285 294 = $18,500
295 300 = $20,000
300 + = call for pricing

Exotic Pricing:
Elk Bull $4500+
Axis Deer $2750+
Red Stag Bull $4500+
Blackbuck Antelope $2500+
Fallow Deer $2750+
Aoudad Sheep $2750+
Texas Dahl Ram $1000+
Corsican Ram $1000+
Black Hawaiian Ram $1000+
Scimitar Horn Oryx $3500
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#3126595 - 01/16/13 12:23 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Vermin93]
AlabamaSwamper
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I will have to say, the fenced south Texas ranch I hunted had nothing like that on it. They had a bunch of 130-150" bucks and a handful of 170" or so. All those 170" were 5.5+ and we never saw them, just helicopter pics of them. In fact, we looked over a bunch of mature bucks that we never saw in stand.

The guy I went with said on some late season hunts there he had been on they actually did deer drives with the guides to drive them out of the brush.

I hunted 3 days before I saw a mature 5.5+ that met the management criteria on that ranch, which was any mature 8 or 9pt regardless of score. Probably only saw 3 or 4 mature bucks all weekend. Lots of 3 and 4 year olds. Lots of them.


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#3126737 - 01/16/13 01:35 PM Re: Well I'm going high fence hunting [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
Diehard Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=icwdmccwhcnews

You can read a little more here
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. What I really want to know is what the deer are being injected with to cause such rapid antler growth and unusual deformation. I've gotta believe there are some types of hormones involved, but I've never heard what they might be or how safe they are for human consumption.


Many times, these deer are the result of intensive line breeding. What that means is intensive in breeding. Daughters are bred back to fathers, granddaughters back to the grandfather, and so on. It decreases the genetic diversity. This is not an uncommon practice in the livestock industry. You may also hear it called grading up.
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