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#3124260 - 01/14/13 10:38 PM Experimentation with Fermentation
WMAn
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I'm reading Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon Morrell, and it didn't take long for her writing on lacto-fermentation to catch my eye. So this weekend at the Farmers Market, I picked up a gallon of raw milk and said let the fun begin.

First up, I tried raw milk. I did a comparison between the raw milk and whole milk I bought from a local dairy that is pasteurized but not homogenized. I poured one equally sized glass of each. There were no differences in appearance. I then smelt each milk. The pasteurized milk smelled the way milk has always smelled. To me, the raw milk had no real detectable scent. I then tasted each milk, rinsing my mouth with water in between tastings. Again, the pasteurized milk tasted like milk has always tasted. The raw milk tasted different and has a very silky texture. The texture reminds me of the last spoonful of melted ice cream at the bottom of the bowl.

Next, I needed whey for my lacto fermentation. I poured two quarts of raw milk into an airtight glass container and left it sitting out for a day and a half. Now, I am not squeamish, but this was tough. It kind of went against everything I thought I knew about how to handle dairy (i.e. keep it cold). After sitting out, the milk separated and I poured it into a mesh strainer lined with a kitchen towel. After the towel stopped dripping, I tied it around a skewer and let it sit a few hours to completely drip out. This separated the solids from the liquid, which left me with cream cheese and whey.

My first fermentation experiment is orangina. A fermented drink that includes:
- Juice of 12 oranges
- Two teaspoons salt
- 1/2 Teaspoon orange extract
- 1 1/4 quarts water
- 1/4 cup of whey
You combine all the ingredients in a glass container, stir well, close the lid, and leave sitting out for two more days.

After two days, you put it in the fridge and after a week you should have a banana flavored fermented beverage.

I'll let you know how it turns out. Later this week, I'll be making sauerkraut. Does anyone else have experience with fermented foods and drinks?
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#3124474 - 01/15/13 07:35 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: WMAn]
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The only fermented food I eat is kimchi. Got a Korean place close by that does a really good dish with it. Takes some getting used to, but I think it rocks.
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#3124542 - 01/15/13 08:23 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: jb3]
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I've been lacto fermenting sauerkraut and dill pickles for a year or two now. Love it! I'd like to try to make kefir sometime.
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#3124567 - 01/15/13 08:43 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: memfuzz]
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Does beer count? I have 5 gallons in the fermenter right now. :-)
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#3124669 - 01/15/13 10:03 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: BamaProud]
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I'd love to find some raw milk. The best stuff I ever drank was fresh from the tit, straight out of the milk pail.

Saurkraut would be good, as well, but I don't have the equipment to pull it off.
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#3124709 - 01/15/13 10:29 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: TAFKAP]
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I did not know a person could sell raw milk or am I thinking raw milk is not pasteurized?

I believe if you are part of a csa you can buy a share of a cow and get it that way. Not 100% sure.

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#3124724 - 01/15/13 10:44 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: jb3]
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 Originally Posted By: jb3
I did not know a person could sell raw milk or am I thinking raw milk is not pasteurized?

I believe if you are part of a csa you can buy a share of a cow and get it that way. Not 100% sure.


In Memphis, there is a grocery that is a CSA called The Trolley Stop. They have raw milk marked "not for human consumption"
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#3124733 - 01/15/13 10:56 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: Poser]
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Yeah, the Trolley Stop sells it....but at something like $12/ half gallon, I'm not a buyer. They also have $20 frozen chickens and $80 frozen turkeys
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#3124841 - 01/15/13 12:19 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: jb3]
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 Originally Posted By: jb3
I did not know a person could sell raw milk or am I thinking raw milk is not pasteurized?

I believe if you are part of a csa you can buy a share of a cow and get it that way. Not 100% sure.


There are two ways raw milk can be sold in Tennessee through cow share programs and as Pet Milk which is marked not for human consumption.
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#3124845 - 01/15/13 12:20 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
Yeah, the Trolley Stop sells it....but at something like $12/ half gallon, I'm not a buyer. They also have $20 frozen chickens and $80 frozen turkeys


I paid $10 a gallon for mine, but I have since found two dairies offering cow share programs. Their programs cost $50-75 to join and $5 a gallon after that.
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#3124900 - 01/15/13 12:47 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: WMAn]
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I think the "cow share" programs are coming under increased scrutiny as a poorly veiled way to skirt the law. From what I understand, they're beginning to enforce it more severely to those with direct "ownership" and stake in the day-to-day care of the cattle.
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#3125550 - 01/15/13 07:14 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
Does beer count? I have 5 gallons in the fermenter right now. :-)


Hmmmmm, might trade kraut for beer....
Seriously, be glad to share.
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#3125557 - 01/15/13 07:16 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
I'd love to find some raw milk. The best stuff I ever drank was fresh from the tit, straight out of the milk pail.

Saurkraut would be good, as well, but I don't have the equipment to pull it off.


One batch and you would be convinced you spent your money wisely. If you want to make a batch sometime holler, I'll show you the ropes. It's so much better than store bought.
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#3125641 - 01/15/13 07:52 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: memfuzz]
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I'm really interested in the outcome. Keep us updated!
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#3125926 - 01/15/13 10:29 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: DntBrnDPig]
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I made my first batch of sauerkraut tonight. The orangina is fermenting and will go in the fridge tomorrow night. It started out looking just like orange juice. Then separated into three layers: pulp on the bottom, juice in the middle, and the whey (I think) on top. Throughout the day today the color, which started out orange, has continued to get lighter and the top of the jar has condensation. Very interesting.
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#3125931 - 01/15/13 10:34 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
I think the "cow share" programs are coming under increased scrutiny as a poorly veiled way to skirt the law. From what I understand, they're beginning to enforce it more severely to those with direct "ownership" and stake in the day-to-day care of the cattle.


I think you're right. It seems that people who are really into raw milk think the cow share program is legal. When you look into it though, it appears the state could go either way in terms of legal/illegal.

It seems strange to me that raw milk has become politicized. I'll say this it has to be the tastiest form of non-violent protest I know of. I'm fighting the man one glass at a time \:D
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#3125980 - 01/15/13 11:10 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
I'd love to find some raw milk. The best stuff I ever drank was fresh from the tit, straight out of the milk pail.

Saurkraut would be good, as well, but I don't have the equipment to pull it off.


The Farmer's Market that runs in the warmer months at the downtown train station often has a truck that sells raw "pet" milk, although I don't remember the prices. I bought a quart of it last year to try.

Fair warning - if they are still doing this in 2013, show up early. The supplies get bought up quick! I've lost their contact info, but I think there are some ways of reserving stuff to pick up.
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#3128119 - 01/17/13 10:33 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: memfuzz
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
Does beer count? I have 5 gallons in the fermenter right now. :-)


Hmmmmm, might trade kraut for beer....
Seriously, be glad to share.


Be glad to share some beer, but not a big fan of sauerkraut.
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#3128131 - 01/17/13 10:43 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: BamaProud]
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I'm down for some sauerkraut and beer. Who's bringing the blond haired, blue eyed, pig tailed, German girls? \:D
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#3128146 - 01/17/13 10:54 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: memfuzz]
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 Originally Posted By: memfuzz


Hmmmmm, might trade kraut for beer....
Seriously, be glad to share.


im finishing up the tub you gave me today...awesome stuff!
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#3129347 - 01/18/13 09:14 AM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: A.Hall]
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WMAn,

Check out Farmageddon on Netflix to get a better idea of what the Federal govt is doing to small, independent dairy farmers and the fight against raw milk. It is a great documentary.

Lacto fermentation is awesome and if you continue down the road of raw milk and fermentation you should look into getting some water and milk kefir grains. water kefir turns into a slightly alcoholic beverage that is a staple around our household.

Check out "fermentation crocks" we got a 40 liter one



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#3129560 - 01/18/13 12:27 PM Re: Experimentation with Fermentation [Re: Deck78]
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Thanks for the recommendations. I have watched Farmageddon. At first, it seemed pretty far fetched; I thought the people they interviewed might be exaggerating. But, they showed the surveillance video of a raid from a food co-op in CA. Police officers in full body armor with weapons drawn to serve a search warrant over raw milk. Pretty crazy! That and the raid they videotaped of the Amish farmer in Pennsylvania.
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