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#3123494 - 01/14/13 02:47 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: contendershooter]
AlabamaSwamper
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Maybe we should allow Mzl's during bow season. These new high powered crossbows can easily shoot 100 yards, the traditional max range of mzl's.

I guess I'm really being a smart (you know) but my goodness.
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#3123594 - 01/14/13 03:55 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Wobblyshot1]
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Heck, I guess lets just keep modifying the poll till you get the results your wanting! I don't understand the logic that there is no advantage from a "muzzle" loaded gun to a "breech" loaded cartridge type single shot rifle. Personally, I think things are fine the way they are. Of course, just like yours this is only my opinion.
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#3123630 - 01/14/13 04:28 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: darn2ten]
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And people wonder why I keep saying it should just be deer season. No one's every happy with the way "special" weapons seasons are set up. So do away with them and end the arguing.
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#3123640 - 01/14/13 04:34 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
And people wonder why I keep saying it should just be deer season. No one's every happy with the way "special" weapons seasons are set up. So do away with them and end the arguing.
I actually like the way it is now.BTW,Ive read very little of this thread.
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#3123641 - 01/14/13 04:35 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: BSK]
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No, in my opinion
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#3123643 - 01/14/13 04:35 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
And people wonder why I keep saying it should just be deer season. No one's every happy with the way "special" weapons seasons are set up. So do away with them and end the arguing.

So you're saying just make the whole thing bow only right ??? ;\)
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#3123707 - 01/14/13 05:25 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
 Originally Posted By: BSK
And people wonder why I keep saying it should just be deer season. No one's every happy with the way "special" weapons seasons are set up. So do away with them and end the arguing.

So you're saying just make the whole thing bow only right ??? ;\)


HA!!! \:D
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#3124711 - 01/15/13 10:31 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: darn2ten]
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 Originally Posted By: darn2ten
Heck, I guess lets just keep modifying the poll till you get the results your wanting! I don't understand the logic that there is no advantage from a "muzzle" loaded gun to a "breech" loaded cartridge type single shot rifle. Personally, I think things are fine the way they are. Of course, just like yours this is only my opinion.
I did not change the survey since the last edit back in early December, and that was at the request of people on this thread of wanting the option in the survey to vote on an all weapons season and to add a primitive only season after the normal season.

I don't understand why people can't wrap their head around this concept, but its quite simple really. If you look at the current market of sabot shotgun slugs, they SHOOT THE EXACT SAME BULLET THAT YOU SHOOT FROM YOUR SABOTS OUT OF YOUR MUZZLELOADER. And guess what, typically you get better ballistics from the muzzleloader making it a LONGER RANGE AND MORE EFFICIENT hunting tool due to the longer barrel length and the ability to shoot magnum charges over the shotgun.

When you compare a modern inline, let's say a T/C Bone Collector versus a New England Firearms/Harrington and Richardson single shot Tracker Slug gun you have two differences...one loads from the breach, one from the muzzle, and one contains the charge in a plastic shell, the other doesn't. Otherwise, same bullet, same 209 primer, and if you do a comparison between the two and several hunting magazines have, the muzzleloader typically comes out on top.

Using reloading speed as your contention is miniscule at best, being your whole argument lies around the tradition of a muzzleloader when in-lines are so far away from traditional it's a joke.

SO if we can make a slight change that will keep people in the field longer, make it easier for someone to enjoy that prime time of the season, then we should do it. Otherwise, if everyone wants a true muzzleloader season, get rid of your in-lines and go back to your percussion and flintlocks shooting patched round-ball or conicals, loose FFg or FFFg powder, #11 or musket caps and no scopes.

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#3124822 - 01/15/13 12:00 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: contendershooter]
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I seem to remember you changing the survey at least three times. Maybe you finally got the results you were looking for.

IMO, the survey has zero validity.
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#3124903 - 01/15/13 12:52 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
I seem to remember you changing the survey at least three times. Maybe you finally got the results you were looking for.

IMO, the survey has zero validity.


x2! It seems like the survey was a moving target that changed until he could get enough votes in the category he preferred.

My vote would be to leave things the way they are regarding the weapons used during the 3 seasons, or do as BSK suggests and just make it deer season with some adjustment to the opening and closing dates. Either one would be just fine with me.

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