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#3120625 - 01/12/13 03:53 PM deer already losing horns
MISSISSIPPIGUY
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I went out today to pull my cards from my cameras and got some pictures of a new buck. I have pictures of him on the 4, 5,and 6. but on the 8th he came back and had dropped his right side. and by the 10th he had dropped the other side. could this warm weather have the deer dropping early. is anyone else seeing this yet.

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#3120651 - 01/12/13 04:07 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: MISSISSIPPIGUY]
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I always see deer loose them this early that's why you gotta be careful if you kill one late season about dragging him out ive seen people pull the horns right off.
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#3120657 - 01/12/13 04:11 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
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stress in the herd will cause early shedding also. Usually late Feb. early March before we find any sheds in the food plots.
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#3120803 - 01/12/13 05:39 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Rackseeker]
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My girl killed small spike this morning and when I pulled it off the truck it hit the ground kinda hard and both antlers fell off!
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#3120968 - 01/12/13 07:18 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: mathews338]
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I hear of early drops on here every year since I joined so I think it's normal for a few stressed deer to drop early but the majority will drop feb thru April, unless its like last year when shed hunting sucked, it greened up early and bucks dropped late. Hope this year peaks in march as I can not wait to find some fresh bone with white pedicles.
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#3121008 - 01/12/13 07:40 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: catman529]
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I found a shed antler last week. Still bloody at the base.
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#3121025 - 01/12/13 07:47 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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I don't think it has anything to do with stress... i live in a neighborhood with tons of deer and he majority of them drop in January and i find a lot of sheds in jan. And i don't beleieve all those deer are stressed out i think a lot of deer shed way earlier then people think.
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#3121040 - 01/12/13 07:52 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
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I drive a train and see deer every trip I take. Ive seen deer with one side in january and ive seen a 8pt in Marietta Georgia on April 2, 2010 that still held both sides of his 8pt rack. Who knows why they drop or when.
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#3121152 - 01/12/13 08:42 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I don't think it has anything to do with stress... i live in a neighborhood with tons of deer and he majority of them drop in January and i find a lot of sheds in jan. And i don't beleieve all those deer are stressed out i think a lot of deer shed way earlier then people think.
they could be lacking in nutrition, being that many deer in a neighborhood. BSK would have a better idea of it though.
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#3121171 - 01/12/13 08:51 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: catman529]
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i see it at many of our farms to we try to keep pressure down and we have very health food. I mean it very well may be stress but I think they all drop different and most drop a lot earlier then we realize. I may be very wrong would like to hear what bsk has to say about it.
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#3121675 - 01/13/13 09:48 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
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They for the MOST part drop the last week of Feb through March. Of course there will be a few earlier and later. Health and rut stress does have a lot to do with when each individual deer drops...
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#3121681 - 01/13/13 09:50 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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yep,normal
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#3121723 - 01/13/13 10:12 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Football Hunter]
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well I guess that makes sense in the neighborhood and at our farm the rut is rockin and hits the deer very hard.
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#3121925 - 01/13/13 01:18 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I don't think it has anything to do with stress...


It has everything to do with stress. Deer are NOT genetically predisposed to drop antlers in January. They are genetically predisposed to drop antlers in late February through early April. Nutritional and/or physical stresses cause early antler drop.

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#3121931 - 01/13/13 01:21 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: BSK]
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Thanks bsk i just thought every deer was different and just dropped randomly.
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#3122437 - 01/13/13 07:12 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
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Talked to my farm neighbor in Illinois today, and he found 14 sheds after he finised hunting yesterday. Since our farms have exceptional habitat and food resources (until recently), I can only assume these bucks are dropping early due to the recent extremely cold weather we've had up there over the last 2 weeks. 12+ inches of snow and temperatures in the single digits at night must have put a lot of stress on the deer. Based on trail camera photos over the years, most of our bucks drop their antlers from late February into early March. This is the earliest we have ever seen bucks lose their antlers.

Definitely been a strange year.
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#3122443 - 01/13/13 07:17 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I don't think it has anything to do with stress...


It has everything to do with stress. Deer are NOT genetically predisposed to drop antlers in January. They are genetically predisposed to drop antlers in late February through early April. Nutritional and/or physical stresses cause early antler drop.



^^^Well, this makes me feel good about what we're doing. I have several pics from last March with many bucks still holding their antlers.
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#3122910 - 01/14/13 07:51 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Quailman]
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
Talked to my farm neighbor in Illinois today, and he found 14 sheds after he finised hunting yesterday. Since our farms have exceptional habitat and food resources (until recently), I can only assume these bucks are dropping early due to the recent extremely cold weather we've had up there over the last 2 weeks. 12+ inches of snow and temperatures in the single digits at night must have put a lot of stress on the deer. Based on trail camera photos over the years, most of our bucks drop their antlers from late February into early March. This is the earliest we have ever seen bucks lose their antlers.

Definitely been a strange year.


Is your property in southern or middle IL? I ask because northern deer (borealis sub-species) ARE gnetically programmed to lose antlers early. Although antlers don't weigh that much, a few less pounds to carry through deep winter snows may mean the difference between life and death for that sub-species.
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#3122916 - 01/14/13 07:54 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I don't think it has anything to do with stress...


It has everything to do with stress. Deer are NOT genetically predisposed to drop antlers in January. They are genetically predisposed to drop antlers in late February through early April. Nutritional and/or physical stresses cause early antler drop.



^^^Well, this makes me feel good about what we're doing. I have several pics from last March with many bucks still holding their antlers.


For a healthy Southeastern deer population, expect to see the beginning of antler drop sometime in mid-February, but most bucks holding antlers until mid-March. A few bucks will hold antlers into the start of turkey season in early April.

Now one or two of the bucks that were the most intense participants in the rut losing antler in January is not a concern. That is a natural part of the stress of the rut on the most active participants. But seeing a lot of bucks losing antlers in January (in TN) is a bad sign.
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#3122975 - 01/14/13 08:56 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: BSK]
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I have seen bucks with velvet forked nubs almost in the middle of April and have seen deer with hard antlers in late march early april. I have also seen one sided racks many times during mid to late february. It is just a little different every year.

This is north AL and southern TN.

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#3123109 - 01/14/13 10:23 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: BSK]
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BSK, our farm is in southern illinois. I've been hunting up there for 13 years and this is definitely the earliest we have seen bucks lose their antlers. When i was up there a week ago, the deer were digging through a foot of snow to eat turnips in our food plots.


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#3123166 - 01/14/13 11:09 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Quailman]
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Deers health and well being takes precedence over antler develop.
With that said all the nutrition it will take for next years antlers has already been stored and ready.It has been said that they grow up to a half inch a day.One of the fastest thing in nature to grow.
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#3123283 - 01/14/13 12:16 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Quailman]
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman

When i was up there a week ago, the deer were digging through a foot of snow to eat turnips in our food plots.


That would do it! Interesting how variable it is from year to year.
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#3124700 - 01/15/13 10:20 AM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Quailman]
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
Talked to my farm neighbor in Illinois today, and he found 14 sheds after he finised hunting yesterday. Since our farms have exceptional habitat and food resources (until recently), I can only assume these bucks are dropping early due to the recent extremely cold weather we've had up there over the last 2 weeks. 12+ inches of snow and temperatures in the single digits at night must have put a lot of stress on the deer. Based on trail camera photos over the years, most of our bucks drop their antlers from late February into early March. This is the earliest we have ever seen bucks lose their antlers.

Definitely been a strange year.


It definitely was a strange year on our farm in Humphreys County. We never really observed much of a rut and we started finding sheds in our plots the first week of January. We've never seen them drop this early....and our deer definitely appear very healthy.

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#3125052 - 01/15/13 02:19 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: RS]
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Interesting RS. We saw one of the most intense ruts we've seen in years.

I will have to check on antler shedding when I next check the trail-cams.
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#3125090 - 01/15/13 02:36 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: RS]
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 Originally Posted By: RS
 Originally Posted By: Quailman
Talked to my farm neighbor in Illinois today, and he found 14 sheds after he finised hunting yesterday. Since our farms have exceptional habitat and food resources (until recently), I can only assume these bucks are dropping early due to the recent extremely cold weather we've had up there over the last 2 weeks. 12+ inches of snow and temperatures in the single digits at night must have put a lot of stress on the deer. Based on trail camera photos over the years, most of our bucks drop their antlers from late February into early March. This is the earliest we have ever seen bucks lose their antlers.

Definitely been a strange year.


It definitely was a strange year on our farm in Humphreys County. We never really observed much of a rut and we started finding sheds in our plots the first week of January. We've never seen them drop this early....and our deer definitely appear very healthy.


I basically saw the same thing RS in both TN and Illinois. Strangest year I can ever remember. Very little rut activity and very few daylight mature buck sightings. Now with bucks already losing their antlers over a month early, I just really have to scratch my head on this one. I'm getting ready to put out some cameras on my TN farms to see if bucks are starting to lose their antlers as well.

Just some very strange observations this year.
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#3125124 - 01/15/13 02:58 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Quailman]
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I killed a spike late in the season many years ago. One of his horns fell off when I grabbed it to move him in preparation for field dressing. It was late December or early January.
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#3125329 - 01/15/13 05:31 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: Rob R.]
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Simply amazes me how different everyones experiences were this last season, even on places very close to each other. We have some reporting one of the worst year ever in their area, and lots reporting one of the best year in many years. I wonder what drives these vast differences in experiences? That would make for an interesting study, if there even is an answer. Could be shear coincidence in combination with the randomness of Nature.
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#3127712 - 01/16/13 11:13 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: BSK]
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I think some of our wives got together and hired a voodo doctor to curse the ones that had a bad yr. Thats the only thing that explains the craziness ive experienced this yr. I mean whats the chances of a helicopter comin out of nowhere as ur about to shoot a big buck and stops treetop high and hovers? I got better chances playing the lottery.
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#3129615 - 01/18/13 01:05 PM Re: deer already losing horns [Re: deerhunter10]
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Mine dropped one of his after I shot him. Half way between where I shot him and where he dropped at. That was on Dec. 15th....
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