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#3120063 - 01/12/13 05:32 AM "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting"
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Where did he get this idea? Jack Coleman over at NewsBusters thinks the claim originated from a Mother Jones article written in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, but Schultz doesn’t source the statement. The Mother Jones report states: “In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 62 of them, and one striking pattern is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun.” (According to the criteria used in their research, a mass shooting is when the "shooter took the lives of at least four people.")

When armed civilians or off-duty police officers are present in active shooter scenarios they respond quickly—usually preventing the situation from becoming a mass shooting. For example, in 2007, former police officer Jeanne Assam volunteered to work security at her church in Colorado and prevented a mass shooting:

Jeanne Assam Saves The Day

There was also the recent incident of a gunman opening fire at the Mayan Palace Theatre in San Antonio just days after the Connecticut shooting. An off-duty cop stopped the gunman.

Gunman Shoot Gun at San Antonio MovieTheater Mayan Palace Theatre

Of course, there are other examples of “civilians” preventing mass shootings. Mark Hemingway over at The Weekly Standard provides more examples:

-- Winnemuccas, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I'm excluding the shooters' deaths in these examples.)

-- Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

-- Santee, Calif. 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates -- as well as the "trained campus supervisor"; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

-- Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman's head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

-- Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

Believe what you will, Mr. Schultz, but it’s more accurate to say that "civilians" have prevented more mass shootings than “gun-free zones” have.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/nbcs-ed-schultz-lies-about-civilians-disarming-mass-shooters
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#3121469 - 01/13/13 06:48 AM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: Crappie Luck]
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They need to read The Armed Citizen in the American Rifleman magazine.
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#3121662 - 01/13/13 09:38 AM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Mass shootings

That's the "key" word here.

Not long ago a guy went into a McDonalds and shot one person before someone shot and killed him. Was that a mass shooting ??

Aftet the police started to look everything over they found he had another gun and several high cap mags fully loaded. It was clear to see what his plans were. BUT did anybody classfie it as a mass shooting ?? no of course not so it does not count.

Had there been one person with a gun at the school say in the office after the guy shot the pricinal and then that person ashot the guy killing him would that shooting have then been a mass shooting???
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#3121776 - 01/13/13 11:08 AM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Mass shootings

That's the "key" word here.
. . . . .
Had there been one person with a gun at the school say in the office after the guy shot the pricipal and then that person shot the guy killing him would that shooting have then been a mass shooting???

No.

Kinda hard to count the crimes that never happen because a civilian with a gun prevents them.

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#3121787 - 01/13/13 11:16 AM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Mass shootings

That's the "key" word here.

Not long ago a guy went into a McDonalds and shot one person before someone shot and killed him. Was that a mass shooting ??

Aftet the police started to look everything over they found he had another gun and several high cap mags fully loaded. It was clear to see what his plans were. BUT did anybody classfie it as a mass shooting ?? no of course not so it does not count.

Had there been one person with a gun at the school say in the office after the guy shot the pricinal and then that person ashot the guy killing him would that shooting have then been a mass shooting???


Excellent point Wildcat...more liBerAl manipulation of the facts. Hitler would be proud.
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#3122131 - 01/13/13 03:51 PM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Mass shootings

That's the "key" word here.

Not long ago a guy went into a McDonalds and shot one person before someone shot and killed him. Was that a mass shooting ??

Aftet the police started to look everything over they found he had another gun and several high cap mags fully loaded. It was clear to see what his plans were. BUT did anybody classfie it as a mass shooting ?? no of course not so it does not count.

Had there been one person with a gun at the school say in the office after the guy shot the pricinal and then that person ashot the guy killing him would that shooting have then been a mass shooting???


Excellent point Wildcat...more liBerAl manipulation of the facts. Hitler would be proud.


How easy is it for us to forget the past? Wildcat hit the nail on the head.
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#3122800 - 01/13/13 11:55 PM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: Encore Eye Candy]
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Contradictory statement of the year !!! Makes as much sense as this .... Condoms haven't stopped pregnancy in cases where a condom wasn't used.
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#3122924 - 01/14/13 08:03 AM Re: "We've Never Had a Civilian Stop a Shooting" [Re: bowhunter163]
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Liberal logic is like saying that the Hitler never killed all the jews they committed suicide by breathing in poison gas, or standing in front of the bullets.
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