#3117483 - 01/10/13 09:39 AM
Re: Obama Might Use Executive Order to Deal With Guns
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"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows what the law is today can guess what it will be to-morrow." --James Madison, Federalist No. 62, 1788
Man these guys really knew what could happen, b/c it happened to them. GREAT post MUP.
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#3117488 - 01/10/13 09:42 AM
Re: Obama Might Use Executive Order to Deal With Guns
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idiot- (adjective) i-dee-ut- democrat or one who votes democrat.
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#3117562 - 01/10/13 10:38 AM
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REACHING FOR THE STARS
The administration could step things up with vindictive and aggressive law enforcement tactics. Google "Richmond Tactics ATF" for an idea of some of the options here. ATF agents stalked gun show attendees, went to their homes, and talked to their families and neighbors about their guns. Intimidating much?
Holders of Curios and Relics licenses can be harassed too. The C&R allows ATF to conduct one check each year in your home or in their office (your choice). Many fools will actually allow ATF agents into their homes. Good luck surviving the inspection. Something can always be found out of order. I am letting my C&R lapse when it expires in the near future to avoid such harassment.
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#3117567 - 01/10/13 10:42 AM
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What is a c and r license?
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#3117572 - 01/10/13 10:45 AM
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It says "Curio and Relic"
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#3117628 - 01/10/13 11:25 AM
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A C&R is a firearms license for Curio and Relic Firearms that allows firearms over 50 years old and not in certain other categories to be shipped directly to your house without having to go to a dealer for a form 443 and background check. Typically used for old military rifles like Mausers and Mosin Nagants. Cost $30 for 3 years, but you have to keep records and are subject to inspection by the ATF. I had one, let it lapse a little over a year ago so I don't have to deal with them popping in again.
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#3117714 - 01/10/13 12:31 PM
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The fact that Obama is considering using Executive Orders to get what he wants is very telling. It means he doesnt have the votes in congress to get legislation passed on gun control.
Executive Orders can not be used circumvent the U.S. Constitution. The prez could order another govt agency to tax guns or gun related products, but that tax could not exceed 100% of the retail value of the item. So a $15 box of ammo could be taxed $15.... This is why the tax for a civilian to own a machinegun is set at $200. In 1934 the retail cost of a Thompson sub-machinegun was $200 (a LOTof money back then), so the tax was set at $200. the prices of Thompsons is a lot higher now, but the tax has been $200 since 1934.
Executive Orders can be used to regulate what other govt agencies do. An Executive Order carries the same weight as a law.
Any thing seen as an extreme abuse of Executive Priviledge (such as total gun ban or confiscation) would be subject to immediate action by congress to nullify the order through legislation, or certainly face a constitutional challenge fast-tracked through the lower courts and up to the Supreme Court.
I dont like this administration, but one thing i can say about them is that they are smart. Really smart. They cover their legal bases very well and seem to pretty much get what they want.
There have been other smart administrations in the past, but these guys are cunning in finding ways to circumvent current legal standards and practices to achieve their goals.
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#3117725 - 01/10/13 12:38 PM
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The fact that Obama is considering using Executive Orders to get what he wants is very telling. It means he doesnt have the votes in congress to get legislation passed on gun control.
Executive Orders can not be used circumvent the U.S. Constitution. The prez could order another govt agency to tax guns or gun related products, but that tax could not exceed 100% of the retail value of the item. So a $15 box of ammo could be taxed $15.... This is why the tax for a civilian to own a machinegun is set at $200. In 1934 the retail cost of a Thompson sub-machinegun was $200 (a LOTof money back then), so the tax was set at $200. the prices of Thompsons is a lot higher now, but the tax has been $200 since 1934.
Executive Orders can be used to regulate what other govt agencies do. An Executive Order carries the same weight as a law.
Any thing seen as an extreme abuse of Executive Priviledge (such as total gun ban or confiscation) would be subject to immediate action by congress to nullify the order through legislation, or certainly face a constitutional challenge fast-tracked through the lower courts and up to the Supreme Court.
I dont like this administration, but one thing i can say about them is that they are smart. Really smart. They cover their legal bases very well and seem to pretty much get what they want.
There have been other smart administrations in the past, but these guys are cunning in finding ways to circumvent current legal standards and practices to achieve their goals.
The Supreme Court has only overturned an Executive Order TWICE in history.
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#3117727 - 01/10/13 12:41 PM
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The fact that Obama is considering using Executive Orders to get what he wants is very telling. It means he doesnt have the votes in congress to get legislation passed on gun control.
Executive Orders can not be used circumvent the U.S. Constitution. The prez could order another govt agency to tax guns or gun related products, but that tax could not exceed 100% of the retail value of the item. So a $15 box of ammo could be taxed $15.... This is why the tax for a civilian to own a machinegun is set at $200. In 1934 the retail cost of a Thompson sub-machinegun was $200 (a LOTof money back then), so the tax was set at $200. the prices of Thompsons is a lot higher now, but the tax has been $200 since 1934.
Executive Orders can be used to regulate what other govt agencies do. An Executive Order carries the same weight as a law.
Any thing seen as an extreme abuse of Executive Priviledge (such as total gun ban or confiscation) would be subject to immediate action by congress to nullify the order through legislation, or certainly face a constitutional challenge fast-tracked through the lower courts and up to the Supreme Court.
I dont like this administration, but one thing i can say about them is that they are smart. Really smart. They cover their legal bases very well and seem to pretty much get what they want.
There have been other smart administrations in the past, but these guys are cunning in finding ways to circumvent current legal standards and practices to achieve their goals. The Supreme Court has only overturned an Executive Order TWICE in history.
you mean they have only overturned 2 Executive orders?
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