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#3111353 - 01/06/13 08:51 AM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: pastorbmp]
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 Originally Posted By: pastorbmp
As much as folks are bashing red IR cameras - they do have their upside - inexpensive and excellent battery life are among the upside.


I wholeheartedly agree with that pastorbmp. I bash them as a primary camera, but I still have a couple of old ones that work great (Bushnell Trophy Cams, SG550 Scoutguards, etc.). I use them for short-term placement in small food plots. Yes, deer learn to avoid them fairly quickly, but then I move them "somewhere else."
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#3111356 - 01/06/13 08:54 AM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
Do you guys that are having problems with deer spooking from cams ever try to put cams above the deer's line of sight??? Also need to make sure your cams arent making audible sounds when they take pics. The old truthcams were bad about making a "clunking" sound.


That technique (mount high and point down) absolutely will work to reduce camera spook and avoidance with visible flash cameras. But the problem with it is reduced trigger area. Once the camera is pointed downwards, you are basically only covering a "spot on the ground" the deer have to walk through to trigger the camera. Now in certain circumstances that's fine, such as a salt lick, bait pile, or scrape. But it doesn't work so well for covering an "general area" of deer activity.
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#3112704 - 01/07/13 02:42 PM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

Until a person has tried one of the better black-flash cameras, they generally don't realize how much camera avoidance they are experiencing. Of those I've talked to, 95+% of the people who actually try a good quality black-flash camera admit they make a difference.


BSK,
I became part of that 95+% when I starting using a Covert Extreme Black 60 camera a few months ago. The increase in the number of photos I was getting over scrapes was phenomenal. With white flash cameras I typically would get one photo of a particular buck and it would disappear. With the black flash camera, I get numerous photos of a buck at a scrape, and the bucks revisit the scrapes. In all the photos the deer seem completely relaxed. I'm convinced!!!!

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#3112761 - 01/07/13 03:06 PM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

Although they are still not "cheap," there are some darn good black-flash cameras on the market this year in the $175-225 range. I suspect we will see even better (and cheaper) black-flash units on the market next year.


One of DLC Covert's new models for 2013 is the MP6 Black (black flash) camera. It is a smaller, economical version of the Extreme Black 60. The retail price for this camera is supposed to be around $159. If the features and picture quality are similar to the Extreme Black 60, I plan to get several later this year. My goal is to phase out my white flash cameras for scrape surveillance and only use them for census surveys over bait.

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#3112911 - 01/07/13 04:32 PM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: Rick Dillard]
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Glad to hear about the cheaper-priced Covert Rick. The lower the price the better.
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#3114328 - 01/08/13 09:12 AM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: BSK]
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Walmart in Rockwood, TN has several Primos black flash cameras on clearance for $99.
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#3128129 - 01/17/13 10:41 AM Re: Proof of White Flash Scare [Re: Bayou Buck]
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I went to the smaller IR cameras to try and conceal them from tresspassing night time hunters seeing the white flash go off and taking them. I sold all of my huge flash cameras to buy smaller IRs. I never had a flash camera stole but had 2 IRs stolen this first year. What luck!
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