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#3107385 - 01/03/13 09:59 AM Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal
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#3107422 - 01/03/13 10:31 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Poser]
Hangnail
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That poor boy needs to brush up on his deer hunting jargon. Since when is "still hunting" treestand hunting?

In this day of property being purchased/leased specifically for deer hunting, using dogs for hunting deer is a thing of the past. As fun as it might be for the hunters, it must push a number of property owners/lessees over the edge to have a pack of dogs drive every deer off their land in one morning. I know I would do something very illegal if it happened on my land.

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#3107464 - 01/03/13 11:06 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
That poor boy needs to brush up on his deer hunting jargon. Since when is "still hunting" treestand hunting?

In this day of property being purchased/leased specifically for deer hunting, using dogs for hunting deer is a thing of the past. As fun as it might be for the hunters, it must push a number of property owners/lessees over the edge to have a pack of dogs drive every deer off their land in one morning. I know I would do something very illegal if it happened on my land.
Depends on where you are at. I was a member of a dog hunting club in florida that was 105,000 acres.

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#3107474 - 01/03/13 11:10 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: darn2ten]
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That is not hunting imo.
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#3107484 - 01/03/13 11:20 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: KCW]
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Running deer dogs has definitely been under pressure for many, many years. At last check I think there were only 9 states that allowed it and the number of counties or days of the season open to running dogs (or both) was shrinking little bit by little bit.
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#3107515 - 01/03/13 11:44 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Boll Weevil]
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Mud Dauber
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I have no problem with it where legal. I also recognize that it is a practice that runs culturally deep in certain states. As I hunt in MS, I can tell you that dog pressure has a tremendous impact upon the deer. Its not that big of a deal for me personally, I just don't hunt deer there anymore after dog season opens on Dec 17th.

While I would never hunt over bait, I would consider participating in a deer dogging event, if I were invited to do so by the right people, just for the experience of it.
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#3107537 - 01/03/13 11:55 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Poser]
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The word "depends" covers an awful lot of territory. Find a 100,000 acre hunting club in Tennessee, just one. I understand the use of dogs in really large, thick areas scattered throughout the south. We don't have much of that here in Tennessee and I know that dogging isn't limited to these really thick areas in other states. My contention is that there is no difference in poaching and running deer dogs on someone's property that the dog hunters have no permission to be on. I have experienced the invasion of dog hunters in Mississippi firsthand. It was not a pleasant experience for me or the dog hunters.
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#3107553 - 01/03/13 12:01 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The word "depends" covers an awful lot of territory. Find a 100,000 acre hunting club in Tennessee, just one. I understand the use of dogs in really large, thick areas scattered throughout the south. We don't have much of that here in Tennessee and I know that dogging isn't limited to these really thick areas in other states. My contention is that there is no difference in poaching and running deer dogs on someone's property that the dog hunters have no permission to be on. I have experienced the invasion of dog hunters in Mississippi firsthand. It was not a pleasant experience for me or the dog hunters.



Yeah, I can agree with that. Deer dogging definitely requires a large property. In MS, the Nt'l forrest are popular for this practice.
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#3107589 - 01/03/13 12:23 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Poser]
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Using dogs was more common (and arguably, more necessary) when the populations were more scarce. It was a tactic that allowed for covering large amounts of ground.

As the populations have gotten larger and property sizes have gotten smaller, it's obvious why it is less popular nowadays for the hunters and the property owners. In many areas of the country, it's simply unnecessary and probably even counter-productive (if there are enough deer around, how does it make sense to chase 40 of them out of their comfort zone in an effort to shoot 2 or 3?).

I still think it's cool to preserve old ways of doing things as long as we can, assuming there are acceptable places for those activities. That's a tough assumption, though...
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#3107657 - 01/03/13 01:16 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The word "depends" covers an awful lot of territory. Find a 100,000 acre hunting club in Tennessee, just one. I understand the use of dogs in really large, thick areas scattered throughout the south. We don't have much of that here in Tennessee and I know that dogging isn't limited to these really thick areas in other states. My contention is that there is no difference in poaching and running deer dogs on someone's property that the dog hunters have no permission to be on. I have experienced the invasion of dog hunters in Mississippi firsthand. It was not a pleasant experience for me or the dog hunters.
I never said anything about Tennessee. This was if Florida on big timber company tracts. Used tracking collars and never had a problem with trespassing. We also never turned out more hounds than we coulld handle, but there are those that do. We never hunted like the guy in the article. We always started a single trail dog on a track and when it got close to jumping we would turn a few more to it. Theres always going to be slob hunters that give respectful hunters a bad name. These smaller couple thousand acre clubs are just asking for conflict, definitely takes a very large chunk of land to avoid run ins.

 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The word "depends" covers an awful lot of territory. Find a 100,000 acre hunting club in Tennessee, just one. I understand the use of dogs in really large, thick areas scattered throughout the south. We don't have much of that here in Tennessee and I know that dogging isn't limited to these really thick areas in other states. My contention is that there is no difference in poaching and running deer dogs on someone's property that the dog hunters have no permission to be on. I have experienced the invasion of dog hunters in Mississippi firsthand. It was not a pleasant experience for me or the dog hunters.


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#3107676 - 01/03/13 01:31 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: darn2ten]
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Don't know why my phone keeps jacking these quotes up,lol! I haven't dog hunted in about 8 years or so now, I can definitely relate to being in a stand on your own property and having dogs come run deer through. I've had this happen to me here in Tennessee and it's not fun, so I understand where you are coming from. I couldn't afford to dog hunt anymore with the price of fuel and bet that has taken a large toll on dog hunter numbers as well.
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#3107695 - 01/03/13 01:53 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: darn2ten]
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I used to hunt a national forest in Florida that was about 75% dog hunt. What they did down there was not hunting. All they do is dump dogs and chase them around the roads in their trucks and tear up the roads. I'm so glad they don't run deer with dogs up here.
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#3107706 - 01/03/13 02:03 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: ]
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My understanding is that, in heavily dogged areas, mature bucks will circle back on the dogs or, even sit tight and let the dogs kick up other deer to chase and then the bucks will simply trail behind the dogs.
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#3107737 - 01/03/13 02:24 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Poser]
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i have hunted with dogs several times in eastern north carolina and had a blast! we hunted on old logging roads in some thick stuff. good times.
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#3108000 - 01/03/13 05:33 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: volunteer1]
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Yep I used to go to bama and doghunt with some friends. I know alot of guys dont like it but I wish it was a legal option for large landowners here.
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#3108015 - 01/03/13 05:41 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: timberjack86]
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It still amazes me that in 2013 that hunters can not stand together and support each other and the legal means of hunting wherever or however they may choose to hunt.

I've hunted in many states that allow baiting...I hunted over bait. I've hunted in states that allow night hunting...I hunted with artificial light. I've hunted where dogs are used to run deer...I didn't have the opportunity to dog hunt, but wished I could've experienced it.
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#3108088 - 01/03/13 06:24 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: darn2ten]
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i grew up in fl and hunting dogs was a big part of are season, theres nothing like letting the dogs out in a block and the chase is on, we hunted swamps and nasty thick-its on a 35000ac lease and had other dog clubs around us,its not as easy as some might think the deer will back track around the dogs running them right back to where they jump them up the 1st time. good times.
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#3108122 - 01/03/13 06:55 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: sticker-pt]
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Killed lots of bucks back home in Florida in front of dogs. Have even killed two nice bucks here in Tennessee that were being run by dogs.(Not mine of course) ;\)
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#3108134 - 01/03/13 07:03 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Killed lots of bucks back home in Florida in front of dogs. Have even killed two nice bucks here in Tennessee that were being run by dogs.(Not mine of course) ;\)
Uh, you might want to keep that on the down low.

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#3108269 - 01/03/13 08:19 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Killed lots of bucks back home in Florida in front of dogs. Have even killed two nice bucks here in Tennessee that were being run by dogs.(Not mine of course) ;\)


You do realize that TCA 70-4-118 makes it illegal to hunt deer being run by dogs? It doesn't matter if it is your dogs or not.


Edited by scn (01/03/13 08:31 PM)
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#3108339 - 01/03/13 08:48 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Killed lots of bucks back home in Florida in front of dogs. Have even killed two nice bucks here in Tennessee that were being run by dogs.(Not mine of course) ;\)


You do realize that TCA 70-4-118 makes it illegal to hunt deer being run by dogs? It doesn't matter if it is your dogs or not.


But would it be illegal to shoot a deer being run by a neighbors dog who happens to run across your property when you are not participating in the neighbors hunt in any way? Don't see how it could be illegal if the shooter isn't participating in the dog hunt. A neighbors pet could just be running a deer and if that's illegal, then you can't shoot that deer?? Sounds crazy to me.

I got to go one one dog deer hunt in south Alabama years ago. About 10 of us were on stand and nobody even got a shot. It's like sitting over bait, no single method of deer hunting guarantees success like that methods detractors may claim. \:\)

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#3108343 - 01/03/13 08:50 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: scn]
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Flipper, here in 2013, we should respect others' land to the point that we wouldn't DARE hunt on land that we don't have permission to hunt on. There are few tracts of land in Tennessee that are large enough to ensure that trespassing while dog hunting isn't an issue. Where it's legal and good judgement is used, I have no problem with it. Where it's legal and dog hunters hunt wherever their dogs take them, well, that's another story all together.

Scn, I think it might be the right time to designate an online wildlife officer. Based on the postings on here alone, he could pay for his salary and equipment via fines with no problem. Might even be enough left over to throw a company party or somethin'.

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#3108394 - 01/03/13 09:11 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Hangnail]
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I am sure curdogtn is refering to random/neighbor dogs running through his proeperty and deer happen to run by..Right??
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#3108401 - 01/03/13 09:15 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Hangnail]
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Steinhatchee Fl., Sandhill Hunt Club Apalachicola National Forest, good times and great memories!
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#3108410 - 01/03/13 09:19 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: volunteer1]
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 Originally Posted By: volunteer1
I am sure curdogtn is refering to random/neighbor dogs running through his proeperty and deer happen to run by..Right??


It doesn't mattter. If a deer is being run by dogs it is illegal to shoot. It doesn't matter if it is neighbors pets or not.
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#3108584 - 01/03/13 11:51 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: scn]
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What if said dog is silent on track and is behind the deer in question a couple of minutes back? In other words if you had no idea the deer was being chased by a dog would it still be illegal to shoot it?
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#3108658 - 01/04/13 06:16 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: volunteer1
I am sure curdogtn is refering to random/neighbor dogs running through his proeperty and deer happen to run by..Right??


It doesn't mattter. If a deer is being run by dogs it is illegal to shoot. It doesn't matter if it is neighbors pets or not.


Its ok Hunter257. If a big one ever comes by me like that im blasting him. So would everybody else I know.

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#3108744 - 01/04/13 07:54 AM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: darn2ten]
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 Originally Posted By: darn2ten
Steinhatchee Fl., Sandhill Hunt Club Apalachicola National Forest, good times and great memories!
Spent alot of my youth killin bucks in front of my uncles walkers in Ocala and Apalachicola National Forests. Was just in Steinhatchee catching hogs last month. Have family and friends in Williston. Good times. I'll never pass up the oppurtunity to "end" a good deer race, no matter what state I may be in. ;\)

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#3109115 - 01/04/13 12:03 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: darn2ten]
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In Wisconsin this is a tradtion and it's how I learned to "hunt". Except we disn't use dogs, other hunters were the "drivers" and it was called deer drives. It wasn't fun, really, but its now it was done. Everyone sat for opening day, then it was drive deer till the meat poles were full.

Now that I'm an adult, I wold never hunt this way again, nor do I think it's safe. Just about every deer hunting injury you hear about in Wisconsin is either someone not wearing a saftey harness or a deer drive shooting.

Since I begun hunting again, I really do enjoy simply seeing deer, killing one and then eating it is just the bonus. I could sit in a tree stand and see does and small bucks all day, they still get my blood racing. I have no great memories of deer drives of my youth, more the cabin at night with my cousins, uncles, and grandpa.
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#3109184 - 01/04/13 01:12 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Redfred16]
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Your on stand , A good buck come trotting by. You kill it. You are excited beyound believe. You are trying to gather yourself, when in the distance you here a yeping dog. You think thats strange 2 min later it works its barking self right to your deer. You shout at the dog that has no collar for id. It runs away back to where ever it came from. Now is this considered hunting with dogs or an act of nature. or what. the hunter was not hunting with dogs.
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#3109191 - 01/04/13 01:17 PM Re: Deer Dogging Topic in Commercial Appeal [Re: Redfred16]
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Hunted in Pennsylvania once. Deer drives is how they hunted, though the concept is kind of the same the experience of the hunt don't come close to comparing, imo. That was no doubt the most dangerous thing as far as hunting I've ever done. I was literally on my knees on the very first drive because the driver on top pf the hill screamed "buck" and started shooting. The deer ran straight down the hill and I was the last driver on the bottom, problem was the dude on top was still shooting along with everybody in between. I could hear bullets cutting the air. I heard the deer go crashing through the leaves in front of me, but never saw it cause I was on the ground with my head buried. I don't ever care to participate in a hunt like that again.
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