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#3105872 - 01/02/13 12:24 PM Local Forester Coming out and What to do?
lpo1981
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Having my local forester come out on the 10th to go over my 36 acres and see what I can do as far as land management for deer.. I obviously have my own agenda or things I'd like to do.. Anybody have any advice or things I can go over with him. Obviously I'm wanting to create cover since I have none and plant some more trees and bushes. What are y'all's suggestions?
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#3105997 - 01/02/13 01:32 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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I too had the same feeling 20 years ago, with a forester visiting our new property and I didn't even know what to ask him! I learned a huge amount in one hour's time and I have been busy implementing the advice ever since and am really glad I have. One question to ask is if he thinks your forest has any future as a working forest for future income and if so what you can do to manage for that. Tell him which wildlife you want to manage for such as deer or turkey or quail. You can't manage for everything so learn what the best opportunities are and manage for those. If you don't know what tree species you have ask him to identify several trees for you to keep, for example white oak, tulip poplar and black cherry and several to get rid of that you have, perhaps beech, sourwood, and sweetgum. If you decide you are interested in active management of your property ask him about the Tree Farm program and how to enroll. Also ask about the County Forestry [censored]'n. If your Area Forester is Stephen Peairs you are lucky, he was Forester of the year a couple years ago. A couple weeks ago I needed some wildlife habitat advice and the NRCS gave me his name. He knows a lot about turkeys and is a deer hunter.
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#3106030 - 01/02/13 02:00 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: treefarmer]
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That's exactly who my local forester is... I'm strictly wanting to manage for deer.. My parents bought this land back in 1997 and it was covered in deer but as the years have gone by the number of deer we see has drastically gone down.. I believe a lot of this is do to not having any cover as what we had has now grown up and not much cover anymore.. So that being said, creating cover is my #1 goal, food being #2 wether it be food plots or planting mast producing trees and browse..
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#3106036 - 01/02/13 02:04 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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who is your local forester?
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#3106047 - 01/02/13 02:14 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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 Originally Posted By: lpo1981
I obviously have my own agenda or things I'd like to do.. Anybody have any advice or things I can go over with him. Obviously I'm wanting to create cover since I have none and plant some more trees and bushes. What are y'all's suggestions?


First and foremost, make a concious decision about what is most important to you when it comes to the land. Aesthetics? Widlife production? Income? Over-all recreational use? Having a prioritized list of "what is most important to you" can greatly aid in developing the best long-term management plan.

Some things that can be done with land and forests are mutually beneficial to several goals. But eventually, one or two goals will have to take precident over the others, as not all practices are beneficial to all goals, and some are directly contradictory.
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#3106372 - 01/02/13 06:00 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: BSK]
lpo1981
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 Originally Posted By: nate17
who is your local forester?


Stephen Pearis

 Originally Posted By: BSK
First and foremost, make a concious decision about what is most important to you when it comes to the land. Aesthetics? Widlife production? Income? Over-all recreational use? Having a prioritized list of "what is most important to you" can greatly aid in developing the best long-term management plan.

Some things that can be done with land and forests are mutually beneficial to several goals. But eventually, one or two goals will have to take precident over the others, as not all practices are beneficial to all goals, and some are directly contradictory.

That's a good point, will leave me some food for thought, first and foremost is whitetail management for me and if there is some income to be had that would be and addition as well..

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#3107201 - 01/03/13 07:41 AM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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lpo1981,

One of the big problems I've run into with established foresters is their total focus on timber as a long-term income source. All of their thoughts and practices are focused on creating the most short and long-term income from timber. Even though many will say they understand land-management for wildlife, they really don't. They see management of habitat for wildlife as a side-benefit to timber management, but the ultimate goal of good forestry practices is still long-term financial benefit.

Although we all want to be good stewards of the natural resources, and good forestry practices are part of that, if wildlife benefit is your primary goal in managing a property, some more "radical" forestry practices need to be considered--and some of these practices will make an old-school forester cringe! Honestly, that's been my biggest problem with using consulting foresters. They simply can't fathom the idea of doing things to the habitat specifically for wildlife, with long-term economics being a far-distant secondary consideration.

Another consideration is life-span of use. And by that I mean who will benefit from these practices and for how long? In essence, are the management practices you plan on implementing to benefit just you (or the current generation of hunters), or do you have children that show interest in continuing your management plan? If I'm designing a plan for the current generation of hunters, I'll look towards a system that produces results fast, and produces maximum benefit over the next 20-30 years. But if I'm looking at a multi-generational family system, with new hunters being recruited from each generation, then I'm looking a designing a perpetual system that will last forever. Perpetual systems are nowhere near as intense, and are design to maintain specific levels of critical habitat over the long term, unlike current generation hunter systems that are design to produce a two to three decade "burst" of highly favorable conditions.
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#3107658 - 01/03/13 01:16 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: BSK]
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BSK, as I rite now I will be benefiting in whichever route I take. I am 31 and the only one who hunt this small property I have to small girls 3y/o and 1y/o that hopefully will show some interest. I get them involved with what can at this point. So I would say it would be for future generations but I'll have to wait and see.. Is there anything I can implement now that could produce for myself and possibly for my children in the future if they chose to hunt? This property is small 36 acres an I will be leasing 183 acres across the road starting this year but it is all mature timber with the exception of a few very small thickets and the landowner will probably not allow any type of work to manage the property.. I'm interested to see what the forester has to say but I'm wanting to improve my land for whitetail management and not for profit... Hopefully it won't be a waste of my time.. I've been doing a lot of reading and researching things I can do to improve the habitat..
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#3107710 - 01/03/13 02:07 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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 Originally Posted By: lpo1981
...I'm interested to see what the forester has to say but I'm wanting to improve my land for whitetail management and not for profit...


The best thing you can do is explain this to the forester in no uncertain terms: Whitetail habitat is big-time #1. Profit is a secondary consideration. I too look forward to hearing what your forester has to say. "Timber people" usually have a unique way of looking at things.


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#3107825 - 01/03/13 03:26 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: BSK]
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I will be sure to update this after I speak with him next week and let you know.. If it doesn't go the way I want it to I guess I'll need to come up with a game plan of my own and what to do.
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#3107851 - 01/03/13 03:47 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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Is your neighbor from whom you'll be leasing in a position where they could use some extra money? If so, you might do some research for them on what their property could yield from some moderate logging. You could cut 40 acres of property (random number I just made up) and create a lot of habitat without losing the "timber" feel of the property at large.

Just a thought - a lot of folks have no idea how much money they are sitting on when it comes to timber.
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#3107941 - 01/03/13 04:46 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
Just a thought - a lot of folks have no idea how much money they are sitting on when it comes to timber.


That is true and something that needs to be discussed with the forester.
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#3108137 - 01/03/13 07:04 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
Is your neighbor from whom you'll be leasing in a position where they could use some extra money? If so, you might do some research for them on what their property could yield from some moderate logging. You could cut 40 acres of property (random number I just made up) and create a lot of habitat without losing the "timber" feel of the property at large.

Just a thought - a lot of folks have no idea how much money they are sitting on when it comes to timber.


No he won't do any kind of timber management.. He is nott hurting bad for money at all and I'm not going to over step myself and ask him. I've been trying to lease this property for 10 yrs and haven't had any luck until a few weeks ago when he leased it to me for turkey and deer hunting.
And I have a general idea of what I'm sitting on as far as timber. I had approx 6acres clear cut 2 years ago when I moved out to the property..

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#3108337 - 01/03/13 08:46 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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lpo1981, I work with TDF. Make sure you let Stephen know your primary goals and ask any and all questions. Stephen does an excellent job. If you don't feel comfortable or are unsure about the recommendations after your meeting, contact me.
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#3119568 - 01/11/13 06:37 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: @fulldraw]
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Glad I read this post. Some really good advice. I have them coming out to my property in Hardin county on the 15th.
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#3119874 - 01/11/13 09:09 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: backroads]
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 Originally Posted By: stevepitts
Glad I read this post. Some really good advice. I have them coming out to my property in Hardin county on the 15th.

Best thing I have had done so far.. I'm waiting on my management plan he is coming up with to arrive in the mail.. I have a lot of leg work to do, looking to find a good logger who will come in and maybe log 8-10 of my total acres that remain in hardwoods and clearing out some of my property for a food plot and tree plot..

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#3144649 - 01/29/13 08:34 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: lpo1981]
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How much does it cost to bring in a forester?
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#3144819 - 01/29/13 09:35 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Mr. Hawk]
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Your TDOF "Area" Forester works for the state and who's primary focus is landowners and their advice is free. A "Consulting" Forester is in the business of offering forestry services and can help you sell timber, plant trees and other services. They may charge 8% of a timber sale for their work. An Area Forester isn't allowed to sell timber but gives good advice and they also have a forestry degree. I used an Area forester until I got my Tree farm going and needed to sell timber, at which time I switched to a Consulting Forester.
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#3145123 - 01/30/13 06:18 AM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: treefarmer]
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Thanks. I just bought a 200 acre tract and want to plant and manage for wildlife not timber. I would guess its probably a good idea to bring in the tdof forester to get an opinion?
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#3145140 - 01/30/13 06:39 AM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Mr. Hawk]
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It is a great idea to meet with a TDOF Area forester. Good forestry = good wildlife. Our Tree farm is 289 acres and we manage for timber and wildlife. We had 135 acres of dry south slopes and ridge tops we converted to pine because quality hardwoods would not grow there. The pine creates good cover areas and our recent 50% pine thinning brought us $45,000. My grandfather had a 240 deer hunting property that was sold after he and my dad died because my mom needed income and the property only brought a large tax bill - that's why we decided to manage our property for timber - so the next generation will be able to afford to keep the property in the family no matter what happens to me. Let us know how your meeting with the forester goes.
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#3145188 - 01/30/13 07:39 AM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: treefarmer]
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The only issue you may have with your consulting forester maybe that you don't have a good stand of timber and its not going to be enough income off the timber for them to come in and manage it.. I met with a consulting forester and talked to him several times after meeting with my state forester. I don't have very good marketable timber for the consulting forester to come in and do the work. I although only have a very small tract of land. 36 acres vs your 200 so that probably won't be an issue for you..
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#3146094 - 01/30/13 06:40 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: treefarmer]
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Thanks for the info. Will let you know how it goes
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#3146096 - 01/30/13 06:42 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Mr. Hawk]
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I have lots of big cedar. Is that worth anything?
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#3146235 - 01/30/13 08:19 PM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Mr. Hawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr. Hawk
I have lots of big cedar. Is that worth anything?

Not that I'm aware of unless you find the right person or a logger who wants it.. Luckily the guys that are logging my property are going to buy my cedar trees.. I have over 100 that are over 12-14 inches in diameter. I'm going to cut a few myself to we aside and dry out and use..

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#3148003 - 02/01/13 09:23 AM Re: Local Forester Coming out and What to do? [Re: Mr. Hawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr. Hawk
I have lots of big cedar. Is that worth anything?


Sometimes, local Menonnites will buy cedar.
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