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#3098253 - 12/27/12 08:29 PM Source for V-N120 ?
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To date, I've used AA 5744 powder for all of my Savage MLII loads. However, I've seen a couple of loads calling for the Vihtavuori N120 powder that I think I want to experiment with before next season.

Is there a source for this powder around middle TN?


Edited by scn (12/27/12 08:37 PM)
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#3098426 - 12/27/12 10:05 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: scn]
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Just checked Midsouth shooters in Clarksville. They are out of it but expect it soon. I'm in the Knoxville area and there is a store out here that sells it if you are ever out this way. I tried N120 but had better luck all the way around with Reloder 7. It is every bit as reliable as 5744 but has lower pressures, higher FPS, easier on ventliners, and burns very cleanly. 63 grains with 300gr projectile nets around 2200 FPS.
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#3098474 - 12/27/12 10:45 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: SCAT]
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Thanks!
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#3098487 - 12/27/12 11:03 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: scn]
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That v powder is hard to come by
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#3098568 - 12/28/12 05:35 AM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: Rockhound]
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I ordered mine from Fox and Company in Knoxville.He had it in a weeks time.Surprised the heck out of me.
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#3099389 - 12/28/12 06:37 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: cecil30-30]
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I love the Vit powders. N110 and N120. I use the N120 in both my .50s and .45s with outstanding reliable results.Accuracy with certain powders out of the hit and miss .50 cal barrels can and will vary.My first choice is always N120 followed by RE-7. The N120 burns cleaner.RE-7 is a double based powder as is 5744 and as CR500 mentioned is ultra reliable with the higher nitro content. Thats not to say that the N120 is unreliable as it certainly is as I have torture tested it like I did the 5744. I subjected the loaded gun to the freezer test,indoor outdoor test and minus windchill factors. It has always went bang to POI.My first range session with the .45 included IMR-4198-RE-7 and N120.All groups under 1in @ 100yds with the IMR-4198 and Re-7 in a tie for second place with a 3/4 in group and the N120 shot a tight one hole group. Shooting N120 out of my .50 always resulted in MOA groups with my best group running 3in c-t-c @ 300 yds.Try it you may find you like it as much as I do!
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#3100071 - 12/29/12 11:46 AM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: Tar12]
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Even if N120 shot as good as Re7 or 4759 I would still opt for either of those because of the price difference. Best price for a pound I found around Clarksville was $36. I can get the others for 25 so I'm sticking with them.
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#3100105 - 12/29/12 12:31 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: tasaman]
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Tasaman that is expensive! I just bought 4 lbs @ $28 per lb. I always have enough on hand and when I do buy it is in bulk. All powder has gone up in recent years.
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#3100125 - 12/29/12 12:59 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: Tar12]
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When I bought a pound of N120 in knoxville about 2 months ago,it only costed me $27+tax.
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#3100458 - 12/29/12 06:48 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: cecil30-30]
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Cecil, I ordered a pound of N120 from Fox and Co. a couple weeks ago and they charged me $38.99 plus tax. They said it went up. I was not happy. I told them what you paid and they didn't seem to care much. I'm done with them.
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#3100621 - 12/29/12 08:30 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
Cecil, I ordered a pound of N120 from Fox and Co. a couple weeks ago and they charged me $38.99 plus tax. They said it went up. I was not happy. I told them what you paid and they didn't seem to care much. I'm done with them.
Interesting,My jug still has the Fox & Co $27 price tag on it..This one jug will last me a long time,so I don't know when i'll have to order from them again.
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#3100638 - 12/29/12 08:38 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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I will tell you what when I buy next time and it has gone up that much I will be wringing out the Re-7! I may see if any 8lb jugs are available....
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#3100766 - 12/29/12 09:36 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: Tar12]
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I see your in Bwood . The realoaders bench in. Mt Juliet has it in stock. I get all my shooting as supplies there. Very friendly and knowledgable staff.
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#3100838 - 12/29/12 10:26 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: upatree]
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 Originally Posted By: upatree
I see your in Bwood . The realoaders bench in. Mt Juliet has it in stock. I get all my shooting as supplies there. Very friendly and knowledgable staff.




Thank you!
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#3103046 - 12/31/12 02:33 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: upatree]
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 Originally Posted By: upatree
I see your in Bwood . The realoaders bench in. Mt Juliet has it in stock. I get all my shooting as supplies there. Very friendly and knowledgable staff.




I called over today with plans to run over and get some. They said it wasn't in stock. If you are by anytime in the near future and find it there, please shoot me a pm.

Their staff was nice on the phone.

Thanks!
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#3103293 - 12/31/12 05:34 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: scn]
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reloaders bench is a great place to deal with
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#3103645 - 12/31/12 09:36 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: Deer Assassin]
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I'm watching this closely. Tar12's got me talked into trying this with the 300g Barnes O and I may have some time to experiment in TN in a couple of weeks.
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#3103798 - 01/01/13 05:00 AM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
I'm watching this closely. Tar12's got me talked into trying this with the 300g Barnes O and I may have some time to experiment in TN in a couple of weeks.


It is hard to argue with success.This was the very first 300 yd group I ever shot with the 60 grn of N120,Harvester BCR,Fed 209A,and the .458 BO. 3in. of drift this day.3 shot group. 3in CTC.I held for to much!The rifle used was a .50 cal bedded/3rd pillar in a custom Rayhill Stock from Stockade Stocks that I built for my son.



I have harvested hundreds of deer(literally) with this combo.My son and I hunt the regular season plus do depredation control work.I have never recovered a BO out of all of these deer.Typically it is a .45 hole in and a avg. of a 1.5 exit hole.The BO will not fail and will take a deer out at any angle due to its .032 jacket.This was "THE" original dangerous big game bullet.It is tough and requires a stout kick in the backside to wring out all of its potential. The load mentioned is not for the recoil shy. It is manageable but is not for everyone.Just being honest.I dial it in for 3.5 high @ 100 yds,dead on @ 200 yds and 18 in. low @ 300 yds.This bullet will not "frag" and will take out any bone it encounters with out the unecessary collateral damage that you get from the thinner skinned pistol bullets.The BO is a true rifle bullet and acts like it on every level.After running approx. 12 lbs of N120 through the .50 cals it is in my humble opinion the best .50 cal load going.

Here is a pic from the "Thanksgiving Day Massacre" closest shot was 18 yds and the last doe did not run far enough and she was taken out at 262 yds.The gun pictured is my bedded/pillared .50 cal in a Rayhill Mule Deer stock.That gun is now sporting a .45 Pac-nor 1-22 twist...thats another story..lol
















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#3104413 - 01/01/13 01:41 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: Tar12]
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Tar12, thanks so much for sharing what you've learned over the years. I feel almost like I'm cheating when I take what other people have shared with me and have success.

I took DA's recommendation of 67g 4198 and 300gSST and my barrel loved it. I've killed 22 with it on shots out to 215 yards, and I've loaned it out to others who have loved it.

I'm hoping to pick up some bullets and powder and try it out in a couple of weeks. If I can make it work, I'll keep you updated.

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#3104667 - 01/01/13 04:23 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Tar12, thanks so much for sharing what you've learned over the years. I feel almost like I'm cheating when I take what other people have shared with me and have success.

I took DA's recommendation of 67g 4198 and 300gSST and my barrel loved it. I've killed 22 with it on shots out to 215 yards, and I've loaned it out to others who have loved it.

I'm hoping to pick up some bullets and powder and try it out in a couple of weeks. If I can make it work, I'll keep you updated.


It is all about helping people out! When I started shooting smokeless back in 2000 I was on my own.That was a serious learning curve! lol I was delirious with joy when I discovered Dougs Message Board! lol

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#3104847 - 01/01/13 06:16 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
I took DA's recommendation of 67g 4198 and 300gSST

No offense to DA, but he's shooting my old gun and my data. I started in 2001. Like Tar stated, back then there was no data and a few of us didn't care to push the envelope to achieve what we thought was the ultimate performance...

RB came along and showed us how stupid we were. The pressures were were shooting then were astronomical. Vent liners were gone in 5-6 shots...

Look up his shooting and rocket fuels website. Bless him, I hate that he is gone. I consider him to be a mentor and the father of smokeless muzzleloading.

Once you grasp the basic concepts, develop and shoot loads/powders that make sense. Easy peasy...

RB made me a better reloader for metallic cartridges also by teaching me the fundamentals of pressure. Find his old website and memorize every bit of it...

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#3104880 - 01/01/13 06:37 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: ewc]
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RB's website is gone. This is the best I could do using web way back-

http://web.archive.org/web/20110202055834/http://shootingandrocketfuels.com/

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#3105052 - 01/01/13 07:57 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: ewc]
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If not for RB we would still be playing russian roulette! He is sorely missed by the smokeless fraternity. His original pressure traces brought to light how stupid we really were in the early days and paved the way for much safer smokeless shooting. We have people carrying the torch so to speak and taking smokeless muzzeloading to levels that RB would be proud of! We spoke to his son awhile back about preserving his website. We were thinking of storing it on Dougs.
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#3105296 - 01/01/13 10:13 PM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: ewc]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
I took DA's recommendation of 67g 4198 and 300gSST

No offense to DA, but he's shooting my old gun and my data. I started in 2001. Like Tar stated, back then there was no data and a few of us didn't care to push the envelope to achieve what we thought was the ultimate performance...

RB came along and showed us how stupid we were. The pressures were were shooting then were astronomical. Vent liners were gone in 5-6 shots...

Look up his shooting and rocket fuels website. Bless him, I hate that he is gone. I consider him to be a mentor and the father of smokeless muzzleloading.

Once you grasp the basic concepts, develop and shoot loads/powders that make sense. Easy peasy...

RB made me a better reloader for metallic cartridges also by teaching me the fundamentals of pressure. Find his old website and memorize every bit of it...


I remember when DA bought it from you, I wanted to buy it myself. I bit the bullet and bought mine the next year. Naturally, when I didn't know where to start, I called him. He's done some different loads since then, but since I really only hunt with it I've stuck with it. I appreciate you guys being willing to share your knowledge and experiences with us.
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#3109096 - 01/04/13 11:50 AM Re: Source for V-N120 ? [Re: TX300mag]
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heck i just go with what works

h4198 68 gn 300 gn bullet at almost 23-50 to 2400 fps depending on the bullet kills deer all day long just point and shoot

im am going to use alliant powder this coming year just for kicks
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