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#3097807 - 12/27/12 04:03 PM First, they take our guns. Then.........
sgtwebb1
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Police wonder if they'll have to confiscate weapons in the event of an "assault weapons" ban

To all you doubters.....

they're making plans to DO IT.


.....just look to Russia of just a couple generations ago.


"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


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#3097823 - 12/27/12 04:13 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: sgtwebb1]
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Be alot of dead police if they went house to house confinscateing weapons
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#3098248 - 12/27/12 08:27 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: cecil30-30]
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#3098260 - 12/27/12 08:30 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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I don't think our own police officers or military will do this.. I believe It will be the UN who heads this operation up.
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#3098357 - 12/27/12 09:11 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: lpo1981]
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 Originally Posted By: lpo1981
I don't think our own police officers or military will do this.. I believe It will be the UN who heads this operation up.


If that is the case it will be full-on war I'm predicting.
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#3098383 - 12/27/12 09:33 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: TNhunter]
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#3098436 - 12/27/12 10:14 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: TNhunter]
lpo1981
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 Originally Posted By: TNhunter
 Originally Posted By: lpo1981
I don't think our own police officers or military will do this.. I believe It will be the UN who heads this operation up.


If that is the case it will be full-on war I'm predicting.


I believe that most officers, deputies and military will not enforce this as most of them are just as American as us and believe in the amendments and our rights as individuals.. I believe it will be all out war and that it will happen in the next 4 years! It's already well on its way...

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#3098612 - 12/28/12 06:53 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: lpo1981]
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Sat in a duck blind on Wednesday with a small town Police officer and his Commissioner, they both are of the opinion that only LE and the Military should have "Assault Weapons" and "High capacity clips".

Questioned them as to what they were hunting with at the moment, and they absolutely felt that their semi-automatic shotguns were NOT "Assault Weapons"...

I find it interesting that they felt that they should be able to keep an AR 15 and any type of magazine they wanted at their home simply because of a choice in employment. Neither felt they were responsible for my safety, nor did they expect to spend any time providing protection for me.

The remaining individuals in the blind did not agree, and judging by the tenor of the conversation, it will not be the last time this same conversation is had...
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#3098755 - 12/28/12 09:17 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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I think lots of LE are of that mindset. My take on it is that they are as anti 2nd amendment as the liberal left loons.
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#3098798 - 12/28/12 09:48 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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 Originally Posted By: worriedman
Sat in a duck blind on Wednesday with a small town Police officer and his Commissioner, they both are of the opinion that only LE and the Military should have "Assault Weapons" and "High capacity clips".

Questioned them as to what they were hunting with at the moment, and they absolutely felt that their semi-automatic shotguns were NOT "Assault Weapons"...

I find it interesting that they felt that they should be able to keep an AR 15 and any type of magazine they wanted at their home simply because of a choice in employment. Neither felt they were responsible for my safety, nor did they expect to spend any time providing protection for me.

The remaining individuals in the blind did not agree, and judging by the tenor of the conversation, it will not be the last time this same conversation is had...


I believe I'd find some new people to hunt with..... or better yet, tell them to find another blind to hunt in.... if that's how they want to be.
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#3098821 - 12/28/12 10:07 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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 Originally Posted By: worriedman
Neither felt they were responsible for my safety, nor did they expect to spend any time providing protection for me.

Exactly; and that has been affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

There is only one person responsible for your (and your family's) safety - YOU.

People need to remember that when the gun ban bill is introduced; will it make me more or less safe? If it limits your ability to protect yourself - and it will - it's a bad bill.
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#3098839 - 12/28/12 10:19 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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 Originally Posted By: worriedman
Sat in a duck blind on Wednesday with a small town Police officer and his Commissioner, they both are of the opinion that only LE and the Military should have "Assault Weapons" and "High capacity clips".

Questioned them as to what they were hunting with at the moment, and they absolutely felt that their semi-automatic shotguns were NOT "Assault Weapons"...

I find it interesting that they felt that they should be able to keep an AR 15 and any type of magazine they wanted at their home simply because of a choice in employment. Neither felt they were responsible for my safety, nor did they expect to spend any time providing protection for me.

The remaining individuals in the blind did not agree, and judging by the tenor of the conversation, it will not be the last time this same conversation is had...


People's views are different when its either not going to affect them or benifit them.

I don't think I could hunt with them any longer, as I wouldn't trust them.
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#3098938 - 12/28/12 11:41 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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 Originally Posted By: worriedman
Sat in a duck blind on Wednesday with a small town Police officer and his Commissioner, they both are of the opinion that only LE and the Military should have "Assault Weapons" and "High capacity clips".

Questioned them as to what they were hunting with at the moment, and they absolutely felt that their semi-automatic shotguns were NOT "Assault Weapons"...

I find it interesting that they felt that they should be able to keep an AR 15 and any type of magazine they wanted at their home simply because of a choice in employment. Neither felt they were responsible for my safety, nor did they expect to spend any time providing protection for me.

The remaining individuals in the blind did not agree, and judging by the tenor of the conversation, it will not be the last time this same conversation is had...


Elitist entitlements abound in many communities. It is sad that our Government, Local and Fed think they are entitled to things the average joe in their eyes is not. Hypocricy at its best!! Did you ask them what makes them and their family better than yours?


Edited by Unicam (12/28/12 11:41 AM)
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#3099005 - 12/28/12 12:47 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: Unicam]
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 Originally Posted By: Unicam

Elitist entitlements abound in many communities. It is sad that our Government, Local and Fed think they are entitled to things the average joe in their eyes is not. Hypocricy at its best!! Did you ask them what makes them and their family better than yours?


I did, (status has never been a non-starter for me, I talk to the Lt. Governor the same was as I do anyone else).

Just because they chose to go into Law Enforcement does not make them any more able to enjoy the benefits of our Bill of Rights than me as a Construction worker.

We got into a discussion of the Castle Doctrine in TN, and neither had a clue what it was, or where to find it. My point to them was they had taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitutions of the State and Union, under Article 1 Section 26 to even suggest that confiscation of a legally owned weapon should be so abhorrent to them as to never even be considered.

I will say this, over the last 4 years, while spending the majority of my vacation days advocating for firearms Rights in Nashville, I have never had more than 4 other people in attendance at one time to speak for our issues. The legislators do not believe that there are enough people interested to cause them grief if they do the wrong thing. We stung Maggart hard, we had better make believers out of the rest of them this year or the game is over!


Edited by worriedman (12/28/12 12:50 PM)
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#3099220 - 12/28/12 04:02 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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 Originally Posted By: worriedman

I will say this, over the last 4 years, while spending the majority of my vacation days advocating for firearms Rights in Nashville, I have never had more than 4 other people in attendance at one time to speak for our issues. The legislators do not believe that there are enough people interested to cause them grief if they do the wrong thing. We stung Maggart hard, we had better make believers out of the rest of them this year or the game is over!


May I ask what you are doing and how someone can join in?
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#3099608 - 12/28/12 09:06 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: chunkandwind]
worriedman
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 Originally Posted By: chunkandwind


May I ask what you are doing and how someone can join in?


Working to pass firearms friendly legislation. I testify in committees in the House and Senate. I also work with several of the legislators to help draft legislation.

Personal face time in the capitol building is VERY important, you can cut the lobbyist with a knife, we need some of our advocates there in person as well.

If you are serious, PM me.
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#3105611 - 01/02/13 08:38 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: TNhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: TNhunter
I think lots of LE are of that mindset. My take on it is that they are as anti 2nd amendment as the liberal left loons.


the more of them I speak to the more I think you are correct.
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#3105616 - 01/02/13 08:43 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: worriedman]
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 Originally Posted By: worriedman
Sat in a duck blind on Wednesday with a small town Police officer and his Commissioner, they both are of the opinion that only LE and the Military should have "Assault Weapons" and "High capacity clips".

Questioned them as to what they were hunting with at the moment, and they absolutely felt that their semi-automatic shotguns were NOT "Assault Weapons"...

I find it interesting that they felt that they should be able to keep an AR 15 and any type of magazine they wanted at their home simply because of a choice in employment. Neither felt they were responsible for my safety, nor did they expect to spend any time providing protection for me.

The remaining individuals in the blind did not agree, and judging by the tenor of the conversation, it will not be the last time this same conversation is had...


This is quite interesting. I sat with a good buddy in a blind just the other day who is a huge gun freak, competition shooter, etc... who said, and I quote:

"I've been shooting guns since I was 5. I've owned a dozen quote assault weapons but If somebody asked my why I need a 30 round clip I couldn't give them a good answer. I'm an NRA member, go to the conventions and everything but maybe we should let them take AR's and stuff."

I said you have GOT to be kidding me. You have sold your soul in a moment of emotion.
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#3105626 - 01/02/13 08:53 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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..........but If somebody asked my why I need a 30 round clip I couldn't give them a good answer.


Simple, because we don't have a "Bill of needs".
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#3105740 - 01/02/13 10:44 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
Be alot of dead police if they went house to house confinscateing weapons


I, sadly, don't think so Cec. I believe they can/will show up, knock, show their warrant and enter while securing the homeowner and family, while the premises are searched. Statements like "if you don't open your safe, we'll cut it open" will be asked, but little resistance will be met by the officers. \:\(

Also, the LEO's will be fed propaganda on the ensuing raid, labeling the perp as a terrorist or other threat to homeland sec.
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#3105761 - 01/02/13 10:56 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: MUP]
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MUP is correct. And by the number of TNDeer members ready to give up their 2nd A rights I'd say they may be first in line to offer up the combinations to their safes.
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#3106155 - 01/02/13 03:20 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I keep thinking to myself, "bullcrap." People, today, even on this site will turn in their guns when told to. Period.

Seriously, folks, how many of you really will shoot a LEO coming in your door without a warrant. Really? His life may be over, but so is yours. Do you know how many people it would take to make a difference (and the answer is WAY more than "1")?

How many of you are willing to stand up to a passed law that requires you to turn in your firearms? After the bravado is over, that number drops down to very, very few. They will become the demonized people in the future news reports using your full name ever time it is mentioned. (eg. "Wilkes," "Harvey" etc.)

I just don't see the rugged individualism need to pull off a large enough resistance. Sorry, just don't.
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#3107995 - 01/03/13 05:28 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
But isn't this and the tax legislation, the out of control rights and liberties being stolen from us, the exact reason we fought for and founded this Country?
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#3108121 - 01/03/13 06:54 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: FLIPPER]
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I don't see any reason to give up my guns. I haven't done anything wrong, never been convicted of a crime. Until then, I'll keep them.

Edited by moondawg (01/03/13 06:56 PM)
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#3108573 - 01/03/13 11:32 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: moondawg]
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I'm assuming that all of you saying there won't be any resistance or uprisings and that most will roll over and give there guns up are more than likely included in that crowd.



I'm here to say that when the police show up at my door, IF they have a warrant it better be signed by Jesus himself otherwise there will be resistance and LOTS of it. When they agree to go along with the government and try to take away my 2nd Amdmt rights they are just as guilty of treason as HUSSEIN Is, therefore they have earned the right to be blanketed in a hail of gunfire.
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#3108580 - 01/03/13 11:43 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: TeamMainStreet]
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 Originally Posted By: TeamMainStreet
I'm assuming that all of you saying there won't be any resistance or uprisings and that most will roll over and give there guns up are more than likely included in that crowd.



I'm here to say that when the police show up at my door, IF they have a warrant it better be signed by Jesus himself otherwise there will be resistance and LOTS of it. When they agree to go along with the government and try to take away my 2nd Amdmt rights they are just as guilty of treason as HUSSEIN Is, therefore they have earned the right to be blanketed in a hail of gunfire.

Very well said sir
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#3111141 - 01/05/13 10:09 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: TNtrapper]
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I am in resistance mode, now....and with our lousy Senators', Alexander and Corker, we have no representation in DC. They do what ever it takes to look good to the moderates of their constituency. They both have caved at nearly every important issue, including the Obamacare, and other important issues that are affecting this Nation. Look how they voted for the Fiscal Cliff, they were all in for it, and voted, Yea......No Wonder Obumma went back to Hawaii, he had no worries. The gun issue will be more of the same to both of them.....we mustn't allow the bad guys to be able to shoot our children. And do any of us feel good about what happened to those young children.....no! But the opportunity would have been done by any method. It could have been a pipe bomb just as easily, that was handmade by that guy. It could have been a knife like the guy in China did, point is, every time something happens are we going to break a sweat and ban every thing that was involved in the crime? By what we are witnessing with the President and members of the government elite, it is exactly just an opportunity to take our liberties away, for their control over us Americans.

Our LEO's are pretty much acting like Gestapo of the Waffen Reich! No one can touch them. They know it and their attitude is there for all to see. Just ask them why they wear S.W.A.T. team fatigues.....They aren't trying to be public servants anymore, they are trying to look imposing and threatening, like storm troopers. There isn't any reason for them to have that type of attitude, or present themselves as elite "forces" in a free country...if it weren't being encouraged by our very own Federal Government. Our very own President...

Unless there are some here on this forum who think I'm off base, let me say, I'm not saying they need to be like Barney Fife....but really, they shouldn't be what they are, acting like they are and doing the things they do....in a free society.

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#3111465 - 01/06/13 10:20 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: hankll]
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In reality, most cops are like Barney Fife in one way. They are rather simple minded and have been given a bit of authority that enables them to swell their egos. Not all are like this but MOST are, especially in cities. Just listen to them speak, they sound like programmed automatons.

If more cops were level headed and practical, like Andy, things would operate much more smoothly and they would earn respect instead of trying to force respect with intimidation.

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#3111474 - 01/06/13 10:34 AM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: hankll]
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 Originally Posted By: hankll
I am in resistance mode, now....and with our lousy Senators', Alexander and Corker, we have no representation in DC. They do what ever it takes to look good to the moderates of their constituency. They both have caved at nearly every important issue, including the Obamacare, and other important issues that are affecting this Nation. Look how they voted for the Fiscal Cliff, they were all in for it, and voted, Yea......No Wonder Obumma went back to Hawaii, he had no worries. The gun issue will be more of the same to both of them.....we mustn't allow the bad guys to be able to shoot our children. And do any of us feel good about what happened to those young children.....no! But the opportunity would have been done by any method. It could have been a pipe bomb just as easily, that was handmade by that guy. It could have been a knife like the guy in China did, point is, every time something happens are we going to break a sweat and ban every thing that was involved in the crime? By what we are witnessing with the President and members of the government elite, it is exactly just an opportunity to take our liberties away, for their control over us Americans.

Our LEO's are pretty much acting like Gestapo of the Waffen Reich! No one can touch them. They know it and their attitude is there for all to see. Just ask them why they wear S.W.A.T. team fatigues.....They aren't trying to be public servants anymore, they are trying to look imposing and threatening, like storm troopers. There isn't any reason for them to have that type of attitude, or present themselves as elite "forces" in a free country...if it weren't being encouraged by our very own Federal Government. Our very own President...

Unless there are some here on this forum who think I'm off base, let me say, I'm not saying they need to be like Barney Fife....but really, they shouldn't be what they are, acting like they are and doing the things they do....in a free society.
Very funny you say this,just this past friday,was at a high school basketball game and they have officer's there to keep the peace.And one of the cops,was wearing the swat fatigues you talk about and had a bullet proof vest with AR-15 pockets on them..All for a basket ball game...
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#3115157 - 01/08/13 07:09 PM Re: First, they take our guns. Then......... [Re: cecil30-30]
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