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#3097548 - 12/27/12 12:17 PM Buck Standards.
deaddownwind
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As the hunting season nears its end for 2012, I have been noticing myself letting deer go than I had initially planned on killing. I guess my reasoning for that is that they have made it this far into the season so why shoot them the last 10 days unless they are just incredible deer. I have found myself passing several upper 120s and lower 130s during the last week of deer season the past several years. I think I just have a fetish for running trail cameras and hoping to see what a deer will look like next year. I believe I am turning into a deer watcher instead of a deer hunter. Does anyone else feel this way? So, as the year progresses do you tend to let a better deer go or do you shoot a smaller buck because you only have a few more days left to hunt.
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#3097571 - 12/27/12 12:40 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: deaddownwind]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
Does anyone else feel this way?


Nope, don't know what it is like to pass on several upper 120s and lower 130s. You are very fortunate. I'm THRILLED if I even see a couple on trail cams that hit those numbers...let alone while hunting. Just curious where (county?) are you hunting in TN that you see several 120 and 130 class deer?
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#3097579 - 12/27/12 12:45 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BlountArrow]
SES
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This close to the end of season, if it's legal, I'm taking it home with me.
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#3097582 - 12/27/12 12:46 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BlountArrow]
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#3097608 - 12/27/12 01:04 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Main Beam]
deaddownwind
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I hunt in Southern Middle TN. We have several thousand acres spread out over 6 or 7 land owners that do a very nice job of managing. It has taken a long time to get everyone pullng in the same direction but man it is getting fun the past 5 years. One place has been nice for 6 or 7 years now and the other is getting better and better even though there are not as many ppl pulling the same direction there. Between me and another guy, we have killed 6 deer over 138 in three years and only two were over an 8 point

Edited by deaddownwind (12/27/12 01:44 PM)

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#3097616 - 12/27/12 01:16 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: deaddownwind]
BlountArrow
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Amazing. I used to have a small tree nursery to hunt in Franklin county but never did any good. It was one of those places where the owner was concerned about eradication for obvious reasons and nothing else.
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#3097632 - 12/27/12 01:28 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BlountArrow]
Bone Collector
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
Does anyone else feel this way?


Nope, don't know what it is like to pass on several upper 120s and lower 130s. You are very fortunate. I'm THRILLED if I even see a couple on trail cams that hit those numbers...let alone while hunting. Just curious where (county?) are you hunting in TN that you see several 120 and 130 class deer?


I was thinking the exact same thing... \:D
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#3097653 - 12/27/12 01:48 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Bone Collector]
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My standards dont change much, most times if he's not big enough on day one he's not big enough on the last day. I do sometimes simply kill one just because I want too however.
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#3097660 - 12/27/12 01:51 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Winchester]
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#3097668 - 12/27/12 01:53 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: knightrider]
easy45
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Nope, my standards remain the same, big 3.5, any 4.5 plus
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#3097681 - 12/27/12 02:05 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: deaddownwind]
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 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
We have several thousand acres spread out over 6 or 7 land owners that do a very nice job of managing.


It truly is amazing what can be accomplished under the right circumstances (extremely low hunter density, most hunters managing for top-end old bucks, and huge acreage). But how many hunters in TN are in that situation? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 10,000?
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#3097682 - 12/27/12 02:05 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BlountArrow]
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Deaddownwind, u guys along that mountain have a lot of idiots fooled that they can grow em like yall, but the key to yalls method is yall do have 1,000 and 1000's of acres between yall! I hunt 120 acres and can't grow em like yall because everyone around me blast anything with horns! So for me when in Rome!LOL if its 2.5 or better its dead.

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#3097686 - 12/27/12 02:10 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: wobblegobble]
wobblegobble
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You guys wouldn't believe some of the deer they have took! My in-laws own land a half mile from them but have about 100 hunters between them and deer mecca! They don't grow 130's but have so many 110-115 in deer it make Ye head spin.
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#3097688 - 12/27/12 02:11 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: easy45]
Artemas
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 Originally Posted By: easy45
Nope, my standards remain the same, big 3.5, any 4.5 plus


Our club has these standards

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#3097692 - 12/27/12 02:15 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Artemas]
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The buck standard I have is as follows...

If I can get my cross hairs on his shoulder, he's headed to the freezer.


There's one for the trophyists. \:D
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#3097710 - 12/27/12 02:29 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: strutandrut]
Jason Bagby
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 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
The buck standard I have is as follows...

If I can get my cross hairs on his shoulder, he's headed to the freezer.


There's one for the trophyists. \:D

Not all the time there shakey.... LOL
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#3097723 - 12/27/12 02:41 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Jason Bagby]
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4.5 or older gets shot no matter the rack size for me
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#3097744 - 12/27/12 02:58 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Jason Bagby]
strutandrut
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 Originally Posted By: Jason Bagby
 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
The buck standard I have is as follows...

If I can get my cross hairs on his shoulder, he's headed to the freezer.


There's one for the trophyists. \:D

Not all the time there shakey.... LOL
\:D


good times. That 10 pointer is the last deer I've missed. Missed 3 that year.
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#3097851 - 12/27/12 04:34 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: strutandrut]
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120" or 3.5 yr old
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#3097875 - 12/27/12 04:54 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: CCAU]
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I have no standards. For me it all depends on whether I want to drag it back to the truck or not. I do try to not shoot fawns unless I can tell for sure its not a nob head.
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#3097936 - 12/27/12 05:44 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Winchester]
scn
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
My standards dont change much, most times if he's not big enough on day one he's not big enough on the last day. I do sometimes simply kill one just because I want too however.


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#3097937 - 12/27/12 05:45 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Benelli 4 Life]
Mike Belt
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I've passed on alot of Tn bucks that most hunters would have dropped in a heartbeat. When I finally have popped a cap the last 2 bucks I've killed are much smaller than many of those I've passed on. Still passing on bucks and still looking for "my" bucks but I'm sporatically relaxing on standards.
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#3097984 - 12/27/12 06:11 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Benelli 4 Life]
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I get the bucks i have on the list ( or a nice stranger ) and then its after the old does...... that way they wont run off the buttons when they get old enough, keeps more of your bucks in your area. jmo
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#3097999 - 12/27/12 06:24 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: easy45]
primos32
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Anything 3.5 or older goes down for me regardless of antler size.
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#3098016 - 12/27/12 06:33 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: primos32]
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my standards are I shoot what I want to shoot. but this season I have passed on more marginal bucks then I ever have.right now I need 1 or 2 more deer so if one odf these marginal walks by most likely will get an arrow
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#3098146 - 12/27/12 07:38 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: deaddownwind]
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 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
As the hunting season nears its end for 2012, I have been noticing myself letting deer go than I had initially planned on killing. I guess my reasoning for that is that they have made it this far into the season so why shoot them the last 10 days unless they are just incredible deer. I have found myself passing several upper 120s and lower 130s during the last week of deer season the past several years. I think I just have a fetish for running trail cameras and hoping to see what a deer will look like next year. I believe I am turning into a deer watcher instead of a deer hunter. Does anyone else feel this way? So, as the year progresses do you tend to let a better deer go or do you shoot a smaller buck because you only have a few more days left to hunt.


Not on 120+ deer..................not yet. \:D
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#3098368 - 12/27/12 09:23 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Boone 58]
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I usually only want 1 or at most 2 deer period. Once I shoot anything, I get very selective because I don't want to shoot more than I eat and eating 2 is about all I can manage in a year! Passing deer with B&C scores of 120 or 130??? Can't even imagine actually seeing one of those. \:\) To me a 2.5yr old with any rack size is a big buck. I've shot my share of yearling bucks and don't really intend to ever do it again unless I by some miracle get one in range with my 45 Colt single action - then I'll try him. (Not too likely to be sucessfull with that though. LOL) For me, once I pull the trigger on one 2.5yr old buck, there is very little chance of shooting another buck that year. IT would have to be something significantly bigger than what I've already shot. I've only shot 2 bucks in a season once and that was 1992 when I started deer hunting again after an 11 year break. I can't see myself ever shooting 3 bucks in a year. Besides, I like hunting when I KNOW that I'm not going to shoot. It takes all the pressure off and lets me enjoy it more.
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#3098454 - 12/27/12 10:34 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Hunter 257W]
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On our lease you can shoot what you want to mount. Not everybody has the same standards. If the biggest deer you ever killed is a 115" you may want to mount a 125-130". On the other side somebody else may have a 140" on the wall, so they may be looking for one 145"+. So basically our rule is if its worth the price for you to mount we are proud for you. It pays off in the long run for getting mature deer. I look at it that if I'm gonna just cut his horns off and throw them in the shed, wait another year and put them on the wall. I may go a couple years without killing a Buck but that doesn't bother me
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#3098468 - 12/27/12 10:42 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
feathersandfur2214
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Depends on how season has been. If I have enough in the freezer I let the young bucks walk. However, if I need another one in the freezer a young buck will fit the bill.
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#3098550 - 12/28/12 04:53 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: easy45]
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i dont look at quote standards i do pass smaller deer but i pay no attention to age if i like him ill make an attempt. i have noticed as i get older i wont kill anything without horns in the evenings especially with the rollercoaster weather. if im gonna stay up late dressing one out its getting mounted which is my general guide line on bucks i dont shoot it if im not gonna mount it.
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#3098609 - 12/28/12 06:52 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: parkerxbowhunter]
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one buck per season.....maybe one doe to eat.

I don't think of it as a standard, but more of a choice.

If I want to shoot it, I will, if I do not, I will not.....my choice and no one can tell me any differently.

As luck has had it, two BIG deer eluded me the past two years......one killed by another hunter and one has not been seen since early archery of 2011.

Going to put forth the effort the last week to ten days of the season.....

If I see one that I want, I'll take him. If not, then I will not settle for a deer on the last day that I would not shoot the first day....

again, my choice.
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#3098728 - 12/28/12 08:54 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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To me, deer are first and foremost MEAT. Ideal situation for bucks in the first half of the season is that I see a big doe and a little buck walk out - in that situation, the buck gets to walk.

This year, however, my dad, brother, and I all saw tons of small bucks and no does for 2 solid weeks. In that situation, 3 small bucks got shot between the three of us.

Basically, I look at the state of my freezer versus the time I have left in the season, and take into account how many deer I've been seeing. If I'm confident of seeing some does, then I will let small bucks pass for a while. As the season draws to a close, I'll shoot whatever I can get if I still need a deer.

My goal is three deer for me. I have lots of people that have asked me for some meat at work. I guess my ideal deer count would be 4-5 per season, but I usually only get 2.

If I see a big buck on one of the properties I hunt, I'll go after him specifically a couple of times or more, depending on my free time, but I'm not going to "waste" a whole season passing on deer just to get some antlers.
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#3098729 - 12/28/12 08:55 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
Redfred16
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 Originally Posted By: KillenTime
On our lease you can shoot what you want to mount. Not everybody has the same standards. If the biggest deer you ever killed is a 115" you may want to mount a 125-130". On the other side somebody else may have a 140" on the wall, so they may be looking for one 145"+. So basically our rule is if its worth the price for you to mount we are proud for you. It pays off in the long run for getting mature deer. I look at it that if I'm gonna just cut his horns off and throw them in the shed, wait another year and put them on the wall. I may go a couple years without killing a Buck but that doesn't bother me


That's the best way I've heard of and seems pretty fair to me. Great set of rules there.
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#3098737 - 12/28/12 09:04 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: wobblegobble]
Coach
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 Originally Posted By: wobblegobble
Deaddownwind, u guys along that mountain have a lot of idiots fooled that they can grow em like yall, but the key to yalls method is yall do have 1,000 and 1000's of acres between yall! I hunt 120 acres and can't grow em like yall because everyone around me blast anything with horns! So for me when in Rome!LOL if its 2.5 or better its dead.


I'm pretty sure I can debate the second half of your post about the acreage...we have similar acreage and I have seen a big difference in the last 5 years in the number of mature bucks..but, I'll wait one more year to make sure so as not to jinx myself..
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#3098814 - 12/28/12 10:05 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
Crosshairy
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 Originally Posted By: KillenTime
On our lease you can shoot what you want to mount. Not everybody has the same standards. If the biggest deer you ever killed is a 115" you may want to mount a 125-130". On the other side somebody else may have a 140" on the wall, so they may be looking for one 145"+. So basically our rule is if its worth the price for you to mount we are proud for you. It pays off in the long run for getting mature deer. I look at it that if I'm gonna just cut his horns off and throw them in the shed, wait another year and put them on the wall. I may go a couple years without killing a Buck but that doesn't bother me


I guess that's not a bad system. Curious though - do you guys ever agree to cull a particular buck with bad antler genetics? Also, is it just a "gentleman's agreement" regarding the mounting thing, or do you guys actually verify that a particular buck got mounted? Does it have to be a shoulder mount, or do Euro mounts count?

In other words, if you saw a big six point and said "hey, I think I'll get that mounted" and shoot it, are you allowed to change your mind if he gets some...ground shrinkage?
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#3098846 - 12/28/12 10:28 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Redfred16]
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 Originally Posted By: Redfred16
 Originally Posted By: KillenTime
On our lease you can shoot what you want to mount. Not everybody has the same standards. If the biggest deer you ever killed is a 115" you may want to mount a 125-130". On the other side somebody else may have a 140" on the wall, so they may be looking for one 145"+. So basically our rule is if its worth the price for you to mount we are proud for you. It pays off in the long run for getting mature deer. I look at it that if I'm gonna just cut his horns off and throw them in the shed, wait another year and put them on the wall. I may go a couple years without killing a Buck but that doesn't bother me


That's the best way I've heard of and seems pretty fair to me. Great set of rules there.


If the goal of all hunters is big bucks, it's a fine system. This allows each hunter to decide what is "big" to him/her.
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#3098852 - 12/28/12 10:35 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Redfred16]
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Thanks, you do get results and a chance to kill bigger deer! this years 110" will be next years 130"+
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#3098867 - 12/28/12 10:48 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Crosshairy]
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If there is a bad genetic deer you can shoot him to get him out of the pool. As far as the mounts we mainly do shoulder mounts. Dont get me wrong sometimes there is a deer shot that shouldn't be. We dont have fines or anything like that. We all know each other and respect the rules. We do let the youth kill one buck and then either a doe or a bigger buck. We just don't shoot a buck first thing to say we got one, we shoot whats a trophy to the individual. Works great!
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#3098874 - 12/28/12 10:55 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
Mike Belt
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This year's 110 "might" be next year's 130. It all depends on how old he is and his genetic disposition. One thing for sure is that a dead 110 this year will never be a 130 next year.

I'm curious about your rules. Are you saying that every buck that has been killed on your property has been mounted? Personally I probably won't mount another deer but I don't want to quit deer hunting because of that. I still hold out for bigger bucks but I'd hate to know that any or every time I sqeezed the trigger it was going to cost me $400-$500.
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#3098905 - 12/28/12 11:15 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Mike Belt]
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#3098943 - 12/28/12 11:49 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Mike Belt]
KillenTime
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I see where you are coming from about you not wanting to spend the money everytime you kill a deer. We are not to that point yet, there are five of us and not everybody has gotten to where they want to be as far as there best trophy. If we stay together long enough there will come a time when we will have to decide what to shoot next i guess. I would like to see everybody get a good deer to have on their wall. My opinion is if I shoot a 130" deer and cut his horns off and throw them in the shed to see them once a year when I have to move them to get something, if I would have let him go somebody else might have shot him and mounted him. Not trying to say my theory is what everybody needs to do, but it does work for us. Also take into thought that I dont eat as much deer as some people, so I'm not trying to pack my freezer full. I dont waste deer but I do hunt for horns. Kill or not I enjoy being out there enjoying the outdoors. And yes we have had deer shot that didnt get mounted, mistakes happen. But the five of us dont tag out on bucks every year, that would be 15-20 bucks (cant remember if you can kill 3 or 4 per year)a year off our lease. Thanks for the comments
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#3099001 - 12/28/12 12:40 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
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 Originally Posted By: KillenTime
I see where you are coming from about you not wanting to spend the money everytime you kill a deer. We are not to that point yet, there are five of us and not everybody has gotten to where they want to be as far as there best trophy. If we stay together long enough there will come a time when we will have to decide what to shoot next i guess. I would like to see everybody get a good deer to have on their wall. My opinion is if I shoot a 130" deer and cut his horns off and throw them in the shed to see them once a year when I have to move them to get something, if I would have let him go somebody else might have shot him and mounted him. Not trying to say my theory is what everybody needs to do, but it does work for us. Also take into thought that I dont eat as much deer as some people, so I'm not trying to pack my freezer full. I dont waste deer but I do hunt for horns. Kill or not I enjoy being out there enjoying the outdoors. And yes we have had deer shot that didnt get mounted, mistakes happen. But the five of us dont tag out on bucks every year, that would be 15-20 bucks (cant remember if you can kill 3 or 4 per year)a year off our lease. Thanks for the comments


Great assessment of your situation KillenTime. What you describe is exactly what happens with "to shoot it you have to mount it" club rules. Eventually, everyone has shot about the largest buck they can realistically expect to ever kill and don't want to mount lesser bucks, hence can't kill another buck. Then what? But until that point, the rules work fine.

As long as you realize those rules are just a temporary "means to an end" (producing older, larger bucks), and that eventually those rules will have to be modified, you should be very successful.
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#3099018 - 12/28/12 12:57 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BSK]
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Thats the part where we will have to decide on what to do next. Prob just have to set a limit at 135" or so and just go from there! But until then the bucks will continue to grow and the chances of killing a trophy deer will also increase!
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#3099023 - 12/28/12 01:01 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
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The part that alot of hunters don't really accept is that passing on 50 bucks this year doesn't mean you'll have 50 more bigger racked bucks next year. Man I wish that were true!
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#3099037 - 12/28/12 01:14 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Mike Belt]
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I think you are right on that Mike, some deer just dont have it. I understand that you could have a deer that gets to 110" and that may be all he will ever be. I'm not expecting to pass on 10 bucks this year then have 20 shooters next year. But there has to be some kind of rules in place if you want to hunt mature deer. I guess its like the "Terms and Conditions" of our lease. Everybody is informed of the rules before they pay their membership.
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#3099041 - 12/28/12 01:17 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Mike Belt]
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I've come to realize over the past several years that at least half of the racked bucks I pass will be shot by another hunter that same year. My outlook on it is that if I shoot him, he then has zero chance of getting by til next year. If i pass him then his chance of living at least rises a little bit.
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#3099063 - 12/28/12 01:30 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
The part that alot of hunters don't really accept is that passing on 50 bucks this year doesn't mean you'll have 50 more bigger racked bucks next year. Man I wish that were true!


How true! You simply can't stockpile bucks.
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#3099069 - 12/28/12 01:32 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
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 Originally Posted By: KillenTime
But there has to be some kind of rules in place if you want to hunt mature deer.


Exactly. And for now, your rules work.
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#3099070 - 12/28/12 01:34 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: deaddownwind]
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 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
I've come to realize over the past several years that at least half of the racked bucks I pass will be shot by another hunter that same year. My outlook on it is that if I shoot him, he then has zero chance of getting by til next year. If i pass him then his chance of living at least rises a little bit.


And if you hunted a small property, like many hunters do, you would find that the majority of bucks you pass this year will never be seen in a future year, whether someone kills them or not. That's just the reality of small-land management. In that situation, you simply learn to aim for the best this year has to offer, whatever that is.
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#3099143 - 12/28/12 02:49 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BSK]
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Interested to hear what "small property" is referring to? Are we talking 60 to 200 acres? What is small?

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#3099276 - 12/28/12 05:01 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: monsterbuck07]
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I'd say 60 acres is small. I'd say 200 acres is small. I'd also say that you can make either one of those properties larger by simply not over-pressuring them and having a thick sanctuary or security cover where they can escape hunting pressure from all sides.

Realistically, a buck covers alot of territory...especially during the rut. There is no way I could ever expect a buck to stick to my 1000 acres much less a 60 or 200 acre tract but you can make it more appealing to their needs which may up your odds.
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#3099282 - 12/28/12 05:04 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: monsterbuck07]
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 Originally Posted By: monsterbuck07
Interested to hear what "small property" is referring to? Are we talking 60 to 200 acres? What is small?


Anything under a square mile, and in some situations, under 1,000 acres.
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#3099315 - 12/28/12 05:30 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: knightrider]
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if he has backstraps and loins he is in trouble
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#3099367 - 12/28/12 06:21 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: timberjack86]
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I have hunted everyday except for 3 days since Dec.8, I am worn out to say the least. But I have seen alot of deer. Holding out for a good one. No my standards don't change towards the end of season. If anything they have went higher.
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#3099431 - 12/28/12 07:06 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: easy45]
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i never shoot a smaller buck because the season is near end.i love to see what the bucks look like next year.i am just obsessed with chasing big bucks
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#3099571 - 12/28/12 08:34 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
i never shoot a smaller buck because the season is near end.i love to see what the bucks look like next year.i am just obsessed with chasing big bucks

Me too!

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#3099576 - 12/28/12 08:37 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
i never shoot a smaller buck because the season is near end.i love to see what the bucks look like next year.i am just obsessed with chasing big bucks

Me too!

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#3099826 - 12/29/12 06:12 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: KillenTime]
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My standards dont change because of time of year.
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#3099895 - 12/29/12 08:17 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: deaddownwind]
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 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
Use Bryan's Trophy Game and you will only be out of $250 or so. does a great job. See below. He is from southern middle TN.




Yelp bryan's is great does over 350 deer a year and you will have em on your wall within 3 months! For a great price and great work.
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#3099899 - 12/29/12 08:24 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
I've come to realize over the past several years that at least half of the racked bucks I pass will be shot by another hunter that same year. My outlook on it is that if I shoot him, he then has zero chance of getting by til next year. If i pass him then his chance of living at least rises a little bit.


And if you hunted a small property, like many hunters do, you would find that the majority of bucks you pass this year will never be seen in a future year, whether someone kills them or not. That's just the reality of small-land management. In that situation, you simply learn to aim for the best this year has to offer, whatever that is.

This is so true for my area! I can't remember ever seeing but maybe one deer that I had on camera the next year. I normally have several decent ones each year but only a few ever make it. Their has been 15 bucks that I have had on cam or been kill on or on the property line of my place! Too many!
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#3099951 - 12/29/12 09:17 AM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
To me, deer are first and foremost MEAT. Ideal situation for bucks in the first half of the season is that I see a big doe and a little buck walk out - in that situation, the buck gets to walk.

This year, however, my dad, brother, and I all saw tons of small bucks and no does for 2 solid weeks. In that situation, 3 small bucks got shot between the three of us.

Basically, I look at the state of my freezer versus the time I have left in the season, and take into account how many deer I've been seeing. If I'm confident of seeing some does, then I will let small bucks pass for a while. As the season draws to a close, I'll shoot whatever I can get if I still need a deer.

My goal is three deer for me. I have lots of people that have asked me for some meat at work. I guess my ideal deer count would be 4-5 per season, but I usually only get 2.

If I see a big buck on one of the properties I hunt, I'll go after him specifically a couple of times or more, depending on my free time, but I'm not going to "waste" a whole season passing on deer just to get some antlers.



I am intrigued by the use of the word WASTE in regards to deer season.....

I have been deer hunting almost 40 years and can never remember a deer season that I didn't enjoy and whether I killed a deer or not , I never considered my time WASTED.

Must be the younger generation...lol.

If I ever thought that I was wasting my time sitting in the deer woods, well, I'd be on a golf course somewhere...

Not calling you out, but I just have never heard anyone use the word WASTE, in describing the time they spent in the deer woods...
I seem to get something out of every minute I am there...imo.

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#3100422 - 12/29/12 06:20 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
To me, deer are first and foremost MEAT. Ideal situation for bucks in the first half of the season is that I see a big doe and a little buck walk out - in that situation, the buck gets to walk.

This year, however, my dad, brother, and I all saw tons of small bucks and no does for 2 solid weeks. In that situation, 3 small bucks got shot between the three of us.

Basically, I look at the state of my freezer versus the time I have left in the season, and take into account how many deer I've been seeing. If I'm confident of seeing some does, then I will let small bucks pass for a while. As the season draws to a close, I'll shoot whatever I can get if I still need a deer.

My goal is three deer for me. I have lots of people that have asked me for some meat at work. I guess my ideal deer count would be 4-5 per season, but I usually only get 2.

If I see a big buck on one of the properties I hunt, I'll go after him specifically a couple of times or more, depending on my free time, but I'm not going to "waste" a whole season passing on deer just to get some antlers.



I am intrigued by the use of the word WASTE in regards to deer season.....

I have been deer hunting almost 40 years and can never remember a deer season that I didn't enjoy and whether I killed a deer or not , I never considered my time WASTED.

Must be the younger generation...lol.

If I ever thought that I was wasting my time sitting in the deer woods, well, I'd be on a golf course somewhere...

Not calling you out, but I just have never heard anyone use the word WASTE, in describing the time they spent in the deer woods...
I seem to get something out of every minute I am there...imo.

thanks


My point of view is colored by two primary factors (one of which I've already pointed out) - if I don't have venison in the freezer at the end of the season, then I am sorely disappointed. Also, I'm married with two young kids. Consequently, I don't have the luxury of time to intensely hunt after some big buck AND hunt for meat deer AND hunt for small game/ducks AND scout/prep hunting property.

If I were single or married to a hunter and had no kids, I'd have a significant amount of extra time to dedicate to all of those things. My reality, however, is an exercise in being pretty picky about what and when I hunt. If I allow myself to be distracted by antlers to the point that I don't kill any deer for the season, then I would be disappointed to the point of considering some of that time wasted.

Does that mean I didn't have fun? Of course not! I love just spending time in the woods, regardless of the outcome. But there are lots of things I'd like to do that I can't. "Wasted" may be too strong of a word, but "improperly prioritized" would certainly apply. I hunt an average of one morning per week for the MZ and gun seasons. Time is precious!
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#3100604 - 12/29/12 08:25 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: Crosshairy]
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Its a personal preference for me. Yes some are not to others standards, but if it hits me to bust him, I'm going to try my best to bust him.
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#3100842 - 12/29/12 10:29 PM Re: Buck Standards. [Re: easy45]
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Yes I'm very picky the last month of season but I'm pretty picky either way but even more in December and first of jan
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