#3096000 - 12/26/12 10:43 AM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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Wes Parrish
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. . . . again, just sharing some of my experiences (and frustrations!) . . . . . OK, when I saw the above trail cam pic in 2010, my first thought was, "looks 2 1/2." But like I said, this is an "exercise" in aging a particular buck. 
Any of you ever pulled both sides of the lower jaw bones in accessing a particular deer's age, only to note that one side looks 2 1/2 and the other side looks 3 1/2, or even 4 1/2?
Well, guess what? Having a single or limited number of pics of a particular buck can also be misleading and confusing. Honestly, I don't know how old this buck was, but he did appear as a "classic 2 1/2" in the above pic.
Below is a pic of the same buck, taken about 15 minutes before the above pic, different cam about 1/2 mile away from the other. All I can say for certain is that this buck was really covering some ground during the late morning, and that he survived the 2010 deer season due to having only one antler!

And this pic is from 11-14-2010!
 Hard to believe this is the same buck?

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#3096027 - 12/26/12 11:10 AM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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Mike Belt
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Believe me Wes, I've thought of that idea also. See a buck that ought to get another year....aim for an antler. It might also give you an opportunity to age him while he's temporarily knocked unconscious.
Edited by Mike Belt (12/26/12 11:10 AM)
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#3096032 - 12/26/12 11:13 AM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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BSK
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Wes,
The one-antlered buck from 2010 is not the same buck as the one-antlered buck from 2012. Look at his black chin-strap. That's a coloration pattern that stays the same for life, and the two bucks have very different chin-straps.
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#3096034 - 12/26/12 11:15 AM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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Wes Parrish
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BSK, all 3 pics above are from 2010, and of same buck. I had accidentally typed "2012" before correcting.
I don't see what you're talking about regarding the black chin strap.
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#3097278 - 12/27/12 09:13 AM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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The farm I hunt has great neighbors but we still have tons of neighbors that high grade and shoot the absolute best 2 year olds we have almost yearly but we still have a few deer get to 4.5 that turn out to be monsters. We also have a lot of deer that don't amount to squat when they reach 4.5
And I think that's going to be true everywhere. High-grading isn't going to prevent mature bucks from having large antlers; it's just going to reduce the percentage of mature bucks with large antlers.
So in my opinion there is absolutely no solution to high grading. It is completely in the hands of the hunter at the time of the encounter.
Agreed. There is nothing that can be done on a state or region-wide level to prevent high-grading. The only solution is a property by property solution (which will be imperfect because bucks cross property lines) and the solution will completely reside with the individual hunters making wise harvest decisions (if large antlered mature bucks is their goal).
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#3097321 - 12/27/12 09:40 AM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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This phenomenon occurs with lots of deer traits, I bet...not just antler size.
This isn't an original thought of mine, I just haven't heard it brought up in a while...
There are some deer that appear to be more nocturnal in nature than others. Assuming we aren't all poaching at night, this means that we are obviously skewed more towards killing deer that move in the day time. This would mean that, over time, we are "skewing" the population towards nocturnal behavior based on genetics.
We could use this same analogy for lots of other things... "intelligence/wariness", preference for long-distance travel, preference for certain food types, who knows...
We all speak in generalities about deer behavior, but we also know that deer have little idiosyncracies that cause one to behave differently than the norm.
I've read before that the deer we hunt today is smarter and tougher to hunt than those of our grandfathers' generation.
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#3097915 - 12/27/12 05:30 PM
Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck
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Mike Belt
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I don't know if nocturnal tendancies are genetic as much as they are learned.
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