#3095642 - 12/26/12 05:34 AM
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Encore Eye Candy
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http://www.examiner.com/article/feinstein-s-assault-weapon-ban-would-be-tantamount-to-confiscation
The guns would be registered (presumably, like machine guns, subject to periodic inspections by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives); owners would be subject to invasive background checks, presumably fingerprinting, etc. She did not mention the $200 tax stamp for every transfer (and would that also apply to magazines--each magazine?), but if they are to be regulated "like machine guns," that would be part of it. And ownership of the gun would apparently be contingent on a local judge or chief law enforcement officer approving that ownership--with the official in question not required to provide that approval, or even a reason for disapproval.
Failure to meet any of these requirements would be grounds for confiscation.
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#3096069 - 12/26/12 11:58 AM
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I don't think this nonsense will make it through congress.
If it does, all bets are off.
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#3096104 - 12/26/12 12:25 PM
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#3096126 - 12/26/12 12:42 PM
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Class threes allready require sign off by CLEO of the county its to be bought or sold in. In TN and GA and most states your fingerprints are on file if you ave a carry permit. I can imagine the price of a single high capacity magazine if this were to happen!! A functioning small caliber machine gun starts at around 15K.
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#3096181 - 12/26/12 01:35 PM
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Class threes allready require sign off by CLEO of the county its to be bought or sold in. In TN and GA and most states your fingerprints are on file if you ave a carry permit. I can imagine the price of a single high capacity magazine if this were to happen!! A functioning small caliber machine gun starts at around 15K.
A Trust, Corp or LLC gets around the CLEO signoff, fingerprints and photo requirements that an individual Form 4 requires. TN is also a "Shall Issue" state so the CLEO doesn't have a choice if you want to go that route. MAC10s and 9s can be had for less than 5K$ and a 6 month wait. What the future holds is depressing and scary on all accounts but I'm very doubtful that NFA of 1934 will be opened up and amended(I sure hope it isn't). Time will tell.
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#3096244 - 12/26/12 02:23 PM
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Two good comments on this article:
If this does indeed come to pass, it may backfire. Declaring all AR15s to be NFA weapons and opening the NFA registry that has been closed since 1986 will place millions of registered NFA weapons in the registry. Presumably, once registered, there will be no legal reason preventing their conversion to select fire.
Likewise, if you do not register your firearm and it is made illegal, what reason is there not to convert it to fully automatic? Not that title II firearms are any more dangerous, but there would be little reason to keep an illegal firearm semi-legal, eh?
Hmmmm...
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#3096263 - 12/26/12 02:38 PM
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Two good comments on this article:
Presumably, once registered, there will be no legal reason preventing their conversion to select fire.
Under the current NFA unless you are a manufacturer you cannot convert ANY NFA weapon to full auto. Even then the manufacturer can only sell to military or law enforcement. He cannot sell a post-86 to a regular joe. It had to already be a machinegun in 1986 to get on the registry. Don't be mislead into thinking otherwise. And to think that they will require registration as a means of control rules out a new amendment to NFA that would allow converting semi to full auto which would put more firepower into the hands they want to restrict.
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#3096271 - 12/26/12 02:43 PM
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Two good comments on this article:
Presumably, once registered, there will be no legal reason preventing their conversion to select fire.
Under the current NFA unless you are a manufacturer you cannot convert ANY NFA weapon to full auto. Even then the manufacturer can only sell to military or law enforcement. He cannot sell a post-86 to a regular joe. It had to already be a machinegun in 1986 to get on the registry. Don't be mislead into thinking otherwise. And to think that they will require registration as a means of control rules out a new amendment to NFA that would allow converting semi to full auto which would put more firepower into the hands they want to restrict.
Exactly.
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#3096274 - 12/26/12 02:44 PM
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Then the 2nd comment pertains even more strongly; if they're already illegal, not much reason to keep them semiauto.
As usual, the politicians are ignoring a lot of "unintended consequences."
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#3096284 - 12/26/12 02:55 PM
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Then the 2nd comment pertains even more strongly; if they're already illegal, not much reason to keep them semiauto.
As usual, the politicians are ignoring a lot of "unintended consequences."
I agree. As always a criminal won't be affected by a new or old law.
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#3096384 - 12/26/12 04:32 PM
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I don't think this nonsense will make it through congress.
If it does, all bets are off.
You said the very same thing about ObamaCare.
Ever since ObamaCare passed and later the Supreme Court backed it I have pulled ALL my bets on anything Obama does or says.
I'll give him one thing, he has PROVEN he can get anything he wants any way he wants it.
Never doubt he can get this done, the day you do you lose it all.
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#3096423 - 12/26/12 04:53 PM
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Two good comments on this article:
Presumably, once registered, there will be no legal reason preventing their conversion to select fire.
Under the current NFA unless you are a manufacturer you cannot convert ANY NFA weapon to full auto. Even then the manufacturer can only sell to military or law enforcement. He cannot sell a post-86 to a regular joe. It had to already be a machinegun in 1986 to get on the registry. Don't be mislead into thinking otherwise. And to think that they will require registration as a means of control rules out a new amendment to NFA that would allow converting semi to full auto which would put more firepower into the hands they want to restrict.
He's right. Think about all the "souvenirs" brought back in WW II and were NEVER registered and it's too late to register them now. Those are 100% illegal to ever have and you get a $20,000 fine plus several years in prison for ever having one in you home that your GRANDFATHER brought home with him from the war.
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#3096448 - 12/26/12 05:17 PM
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FLTENNHUNTER1
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I don't think this nonsense will make it through congress.
If it does, all bets are off. You said the very same thing about ObamaCare. Ever since ObamaCare passed and later the Supreme Court backed it I have pulled ALL my bets on anything Obama does or says. I'll give him one thing, he has PROVEN he can get anything he wants any way he wants it. Never doubt he can get this done, the day you do you lose it all.
Man, you must have extremely good memory...I think Obamacare passing caught everyone flat footed.
If they get this passed it will get ugly.
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#3096535 - 12/26/12 06:15 PM
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I don't think this nonsense will make it through congress.
If it does, all bets are off. You said the very same thing about ObamaCare. Ever since ObamaCare passed and later the Supreme Court backed it I have pulled ALL my bets on anything Obama does or says. I'll give him one thing, he has PROVEN he can get anything he wants any way he wants it. Never doubt he can get this done, the day you do you lose it all. Man, you must have extremely good memory...I think Obamacare passing caught everyone flat footed. If they get this passed it will get ugly.
Go back and read my posts. I said Obama WOULD get it passed and he did. I said the Supreme Court would OVERTURN it and they did not. Guess what?? Wes fought it tooth and nail, explained everything he could find about it and showed how wrong it was, he also said it would pass.
It seems like most people are laying back thinking "it" will never happen and then are caught flat footed when it does. Once they are caught flat footed they blame others like the NRA and other posters that said it will pass unless we fight it.
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