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#3095516 - 12/25/12 09:44 PM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: Andy S.]
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When I'm in Ohio. I started shooting any buck that's 4.5 and older. Now for me to shoot him I would want both sides. In Tn I shoot 3.5 and older. I have passed up a 4.5 one time and he was a beast. But he only had one side of his rack. So yes I know what your saying



I would think that buck in the pic is 2.5
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#3095645 - 12/26/12 05:38 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: hunter drew]
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Going by that picture the deer looks to be a 2 year old to me.
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#3095688 - 12/26/12 06:25 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: RUGER]
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2.5 to me,yeah,he would get a pass from me too.with one horn.at any age
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#3095839 - 12/26/12 09:18 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: Football Hunter]
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Classic 2 1/2 year-old.

To add to Wes' high-grading theory, with more and more hunters/managers running trail-cameras over a number of years, more picture sets are available of individual bucks over their lifetimes, and although nothing about antler growth over a lifetime is guaranteed, I'm noticing that most very large-antlered mature bucks started out as large-antlered 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year-old bucks. If hunters kill the largest-antlered 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year-old bucks, they are removing the very bucks that have the highest odds of being spectacular bucks at maturity.
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#3095869 - 12/26/12 09:34 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: BSK]
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Looks 2.5 to me.
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#3095899 - 12/26/12 09:47 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: BSK]
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I'd also have to say 2.5 years old. I agree with everything you've said but I don't see a remedy. I don't think that the majority of hunters give a flip about how old a buck is when they shoot him or even learning to age a deer on the hoof. The only way that will change is if there's some type of restriction placed on bucks forcing them to have to start learning and I don't know what that might be???? Maybe some type of earn a buck tag whereby the state limit is 2 bucks but if either of your 2 are 4.5+ you get a third tag. I doubt anything like that would ever happen.

I also have to admit I'm guilty as charged. I look at a buck's rack first because no matter what age he is I don't shoot if I'm not impressed with the size. Given the time I then try to determine his age. If his rack is my borderline shooter I really try to scrutinize his age. In the last several years I haven't shot but 2 bucks and 1 of those was shot on age accessment. I've passed on several because they only had 1 side but if they'd have had both matching sides a few of them would have hit the ground. I've passed alot of bucks that were 4.5+ simply because they didn't have the headgear I wanted.


Edited by Mike Belt (12/26/12 10:02 AM)
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#3095909 - 12/26/12 09:54 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: Mike Belt]
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I agree Mike, I doubt there is a solution, except for those managing large properties where mature bucks with large antlers is the goal. In those situations, the hunters will have to learn to specifically protect the largest antlered 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year-old bucks.
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#3095949 - 12/26/12 10:12 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: BSK]
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At Ames the original goal was to advance buck age structure. We've done that and have a good percentage of mature bucks in our herd. Even with a select group of hunters I believe that quite a few of them see impressive headgear and shoot away hoping that the deer will measure legal minimum and never give age a second thought. Quite a few of our deer don't meet minimum size restrictions but do meet the "or 4.5 years old or older" requirement so they simply luck out on a legal buck. I'm betting in the last 4 years not over 3 bucks were shot based on age.
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#3095959 - 12/26/12 10:17 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
...quite a few of them see impressive headgear and shoot away hoping that the deer will measure legal minimum and never give age a second thought. Quite a few of our deer don't meet minimum size restrictions but do meet the "or 4.5 years old or older" requirement so they simply luck out on a legal buck. I'm betting in the last 4 years not over 3 bucks were shot based on age.


Interesting observations Mike.
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#3095965 - 12/26/12 10:19 AM Re: An Exercise in Aging a Particular Buck [Re: BSK]
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Normally, I don't add to local high-grading because I will shoot any buck 3 1/2 or older, no matter his antler size (or even whether he has both antlers intact).

However, this year we were major contributors to antler high-grading!
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