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#3084106 - 12/17/12 06:56 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices? I can't find one.

If not, the NFA/GCA would have to be amended, which puts it in Congress' hands.


BMan, don't take this the wrong way but nobody has been particularly successful at telling Barry what he can and cannot do.

I really don't think he gives a damm what we think he has or does not have the right to do.

Oh, I have no doubt he'll try to pull something.

But we need to make sure we're putting forth actual valid methods we believe he may pull. We need to make sure we can identify what methods he has has available, and that's all I asked WC: does he have something that shows the President has the power to add to, delete from, or change the legally defined list of destructive devices.

Can he try to sneak something into a bill? Absolutely.

Executive order? That's what I think he'll try.

But he doesn't have the power to just change a written, published law. He can circumvent it - but he can't change the already existing law.
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#3084129 - 12/17/12 07:07 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I predict they will try

I predict they will fail and pay a huge price in 2014



I hope what you predict is spot on.

Having said that, I thought the same of Obamacare passing, Obamacare making it through the SCOTUS, and Obama winning a second term.

I'm zero for 3.


Same here and that's why I think anything is possible over this.
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#3084134 - 12/17/12 07:08 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: BMan]
Wildcat
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices? I can't find one.

If not, the NFA/GCA would have to be amended, which puts it in Congress' hands.


BMan, don't take this the wrong way but nobody has been particularly successful at telling Barry what he can and cannot do.

I really don't think he gives a damm what we think he has or does not have the right to do.

Oh, I have no doubt he'll try to pull something.

But we need to make sure we're putting forth actual valid methods we believe he may pull. We need to make sure we can identify what methods he has has available, and that's all I asked WC: does he have something that shows the President has the power to add to, delete from, or change the legally defined list of destructive devices.

Can he try to sneak something into a bill? Absolutely.

Executive order? That's what I think he'll try.

But he doesn't have the power to just change a written, published law. He can circumvent it - but he can't change the already existing law.



Can you tell us what law you are talking about.
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#3084149 - 12/17/12 07:15 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: Wildcat]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices? I can't find one.

If not, the NFA/GCA would have to be amended, which puts it in Congress' hands.


BMan, don't take this the wrong way but nobody has been particularly successful at telling Barry what he can and cannot do.

I really don't think he gives a damm what we think he has or does not have the right to do.

Oh, I have no doubt he'll try to pull something.

But we need to make sure we're putting forth actual valid methods we believe he may pull. We need to make sure we can identify what methods he has has available, and that's all I asked WC: does he have something that shows the President has the power to add to, delete from, or change the legally defined list of destructive devices.

Can he try to sneak something into a bill? Absolutely.

Executive order? That's what I think he'll try.

But he doesn't have the power to just change a written, published law. He can circumvent it - but he can't change the already existing law.



Can you tell us what law you are talking about.

The one you referred to - the National Firearms Act. That's what NFA stands for...

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/

Good grief.
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#3084170 - 12/17/12 07:27 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: BMan]
Wes Parrish
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If you want an idea of what road Obama may take, take a look at how he's worked thru the EPA to over-regulate and tax various industries, particularly the coal industry.

My guess is Obama will do his damage by a combination of executive order and working thru other government agencies, by-passing congress.

Using the European Socialists' models, the federal government can simply make it cost-prohibitive, and so many hoops to jump thru that mainly just the wealthy elite will have firearms. Much of this might be achieved by excessive taxes and new hoops to jump regarding ammunition, rather than the guns themselves.

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#3084206 - 12/17/12 07:46 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices? I can't find one.

If not, the NFA/GCA would have to be amended, which puts it in Congress' hands.


BMan, don't take this the wrong way but nobody has been particularly successful at telling Barry what he can and cannot do.

I really don't think he gives a damm what we think he has or does not have the right to do.

Oh, I have no doubt he'll try to pull something.

But we need to make sure we're putting forth actual valid methods we believe he may pull. We need to make sure we can identify what methods he has has available, and that's all I asked WC: does he have something that shows the President has the power to add to, delete from, or change the legally defined list of destructive devices.

Can he try to sneak something into a bill? Absolutely.

Executive order? That's what I think he'll try.

But he doesn't have the power to just change a written, published law. He can circumvent it - but he can't change the already existing law.



Can you tell us what law you are talking about.

The one you referred to - the National Firearms Act. That's what NFA stands for...

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/

Good grief.


Go back and re-read my first post. The first thing I told everybody is I found this on another froum so that's NOT mine.

Good grief, some people just don't read.
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#3084364 - 12/17/12 08:58 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: Wildcat]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices? I can't find one.

If not, the NFA/GCA would have to be amended, which puts it in Congress' hands.


BMan, don't take this the wrong way but nobody has been particularly successful at telling Barry what he can and cannot do.

I really don't think he gives a damm what we think he has or does not have the right to do.

Oh, I have no doubt he'll try to pull something.

But we need to make sure we're putting forth actual valid methods we believe he may pull. We need to make sure we can identify what methods he has has available, and that's all I asked WC: does he have something that shows the President has the power to add to, delete from, or change the legally defined list of destructive devices.

Can he try to sneak something into a bill? Absolutely.

Executive order? That's what I think he'll try.

But he doesn't have the power to just change a written, published law. He can circumvent it - but he can't change the already existing law.



Can you tell us what law you are talking about.

The one you referred to - the National Firearms Act. That's what NFA stands for...

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/

Good grief.


Go back and re-read my first post. The first thing I told everybody is I found this on another froum so that's NOT mine.

Good grief, some people just don't read.

I read it several times and couldn't tell where your comment stopped and the article began. By posting it, you gave the impression it was your opinion as well.

If you don't want to be questioned on things, don't make or forward questionable statements.
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#3084435 - 12/17/12 09:34 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: BMan]
Wildcat
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BMan
Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices? I can't find one.

If not, the NFA/GCA would have to be amended, which puts it in Congress' hands.


BMan, don't take this the wrong way but nobody has been particularly successful at telling Barry what he can and cannot do.

I really don't think he gives a damm what we think he has or does not have the right to do.

Oh, I have no doubt he'll try to pull something.

But we need to make sure we're putting forth actual valid methods we believe he may pull. We need to make sure we can identify what methods he has has available, and that's all I asked WC: does he have something that shows the President has the power to add to, delete from, or change the legally defined list of destructive devices.

Can he try to sneak something into a bill? Absolutely.

Executive order? That's what I think he'll try.

But he doesn't have the power to just change a written, published law. He can circumvent it - but he can't change the already existing law.



Can you tell us what law you are talking about.

The one you referred to - the National Firearms Act. That's what NFA stands for...

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/

Good grief.


Go back and re-read my first post. The first thing I told everybody is I found this on another froum so that's NOT mine.

Good grief, some people just don't read.

I read it several times and couldn't tell where your comment stopped and the article began. By posting it, you gave the impression it was your opinion as well.

If you don't want to be questioned on things, don't make or forward questionable statements.


Funny but you do the very thing.

I agree with what was posted.

Also I've always known that if they can place a hazmat fee on gunpower they can place the same on ammo that has the same gun power in each shell. They do not need Congress for that.
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#3084460 - 12/17/12 09:49 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: Wildcat]
BMan
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Thank you for confirming that you agree with the views expressed in your post.

Now, please answer the question: Do you have a source that says the President or anyone else can classify items at will as destructive devices?

I didn't ask about a hazmat fee, or a tax, or what reloaders have to do; that is not what you said would be classified as destructive devices.

Simple question: do you have a source for your assertion?
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#3084564 - 12/17/12 11:49 PM Re: Predictions on legeslation regarding firearms? [Re: BMan]
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