#3075717 - 12/12/12 11:30 AM
TWRA purchasing new land?
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ghosthunter
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I was just reading an article about Thunder Thorton getting a 10 million dollar loan to purchase Jasper mountain for developement and I got thinking why doesn't TWRA get land like this more often? Seems to me that is not a bad deal for that much land. I'm sure it's easier said than done, but I'm just curious as to what the budgets are for purchasing new land like this to preserve hunting land. I've also seen similar land like Jasper mountain across the interstate on South Pittsburg mountain be sold to a developer for a similar price and quantity of land and I always wondered, "why didn't TWRA get this land."
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#3075726 - 12/12/12 11:38 AM
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scn
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I was just reading an article about Thunder Thorton getting a 10 million dollar loan to purchase Jasper mountain for developement and I got thinking why doesn't TWRA get land like this more often? Seems to me that is not a bad deal for that much land. I'm sure it's easier said than done, but I'm just curious as to what the budgets are for purchasing new land like this to preserve hunting land. I've also seen similar land like Jasper mountain across the interstate on South Pittsburg mountain be sold to a developer for a similar price and quantity of land and I always wondered, "why didn't TWRA get this land."
A quick, but realistic answer is that TWRA does not have that type of money to make such a purchase.
There is a wetlands fund that is funded through a percentage of a real estate transfer tax that provides some money for wetlands purchases and some upkeep. But, even if those funds were open to all lands, the funding is much less than that purchase.
In a perfect world TWRA would make some purchases like that. Unfortunately, funding does not allow it.
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#3075960 - 12/12/12 02:01 PM
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On a side note, the Commission just approved Agency for purchasing Skinner mountain outright (~4,000 acres). It had previously just been leased.
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#3076259 - 12/12/12 05:04 PM
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I was just reading an article about Thunder Thorton getting a 10 million dollar loan to purchase Jasper mountain for developement and I got thinking why doesn't TWRA get land like this more often? Seems to me that is not a bad deal for that much land. I'm sure it's easier said than done, but I'm just curious as to what the budgets are for purchasing new land like this to preserve hunting land. I've also seen similar land like Jasper mountain across the interstate on South Pittsburg mountain be sold to a developer for a similar price and quantity of land and I always wondered, "why didn't TWRA get this land." A quick, but realistic answer is that TWRA does not have that type of money to make such a purchase. There is a wetlands fund that is funded through a percentage of a real estate transfer tax that provides some money for wetlands purchases and some upkeep. But, even if those funds were open to all lands, the funding is much less than that purchase. In a perfect world TWRA would make some purchases like that. Unfortunately, funding does not allow it.
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#3076270 - 12/12/12 05:11 PM
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On a side note, the Commission just approved Agency for purchasing Skinner mountain outright (~4,000 acres). It had previously just been leased.
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#3076338 - 12/12/12 05:48 PM
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muskyhunter
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has the road going up to skinner mountain been fixed? last time i was up there a few years ago it was about as rough as it gets
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#3076722 - 12/12/12 09:34 PM
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Any money added to a license will have to put into law or those greenbacks will disappear quicker than hail in Miami. If the commission just says do it, and the law doesn't force them to put it aside for purchasing land, it'll disappear. Remember, politicians love YOUR money.
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#3076907 - 12/13/12 05:09 AM
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ghosthunter
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I was just reading an article about Thunder Thorton getting a 10 million dollar loan to purchase Jasper mountain for developement and I got thinking why doesn't TWRA get land like this more often? Seems to me that is not a bad deal for that much land. I'm sure it's easier said than done, but I'm just curious as to what the budgets are for purchasing new land like this to preserve hunting land. I've also seen similar land like Jasper mountain across the interstate on South Pittsburg mountain be sold to a developer for a similar price and quantity of land and I always wondered, "why didn't TWRA get this land." A quick, but realistic answer is that TWRA does not have that type of money to make such a purchase. There is a wetlands fund that is funded through a percentage of a real estate transfer tax that provides some money for wetlands purchases and some upkeep. But, even if those funds were open to all lands, the funding is much less than that purchase. In a perfect world TWRA would make some purchases like that. Unfortunately, funding does not allow it.
I'm lost on that funding does not allow it. So, my license is not considered funding? It seems as if there are not any plans to set money aside to obtain more land in the future when the occassion arises. Am I correct in saying this?
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I have great concern for the lack of plans for the preservation of hunting land in this alarmingly fast growing world and the itch for the money hungry developers to make a buck by clearing lands to throw up homes. Is there a breakdown of what our license contribute to. It just really seems to me that this should be one of the upmost important items to be focusing on. Maybe take a loan from the bank with a payment plan funded by hunters. I really don't know what the plan should be but I think there should be one.
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#3077479 - 12/13/12 01:12 PM
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waynesworld
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Ghost I am not TWRA and have not audited there financial records but I have seen there budget compared to other agencies and I fully understand what scn is saying.
But one thing that is not known that some people would want to know before creating a special fee for buying land. In TN constitution it states that no legislation body can restrict the actions of future legislation bodies. What that means to us in this context is, Yes the legislatures can pass a fee on the hunting permits and keep that money in a special fund to be used for only buying land. But as soon as the ink is dry from the Sec of State the next legislative body can raid the funds with one stroke of a pen.
Now lets say they do buy the land nothing can prevent them from selling it to a priv company down the way. The true way to protect the land is to create a non-profit organization to buy the land and then lease or let the TWRA use it.
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