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#3072975 - 12/10/12 04:47 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: strutandrut]
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When MS announced that regulation change, there was a whirlwind of confusion for nearly 3 years. K.I.S.S.
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#3072978 - 12/10/12 04:48 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Rubberduck270]
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No, keep it the way it is
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#3073183 - 12/10/12 06:29 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: easy45]
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#3073250 - 12/10/12 07:01 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: recurve60#]
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Why do people want to always change things? It is fine the way it is. A lot of people are happy with the seasons and more importantly, I am happy with it. If anyone wants to hunt the way it is done in another state, move there or buy the out of state license and go hunt there.
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#3073261 - 12/10/12 07:11 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Bowdacious]
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I love the muzzle loader season.
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#3073277 - 12/10/12 07:22 PM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Kirk]
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Contendershooter, Louisiana does have single shot centerfire rifles of at least .35 caliber, with an exposed hammer, as legal during their primitive weapons season. The change is effective this year. They wanted both more hunter participation and an increased kill. Seems like a needed change if those two things occur.
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#3073995 - 12/11/12 09:26 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
So for that two week period, I am simply wanting someone who doesn't feel safe around muzzleloaders, an older person who my have trouble loading them, a person who only has the money for one gun to hunt

So if you only have the money to hunt with one gun, you want this person to go out and buy another gun to use in the "primitive" season? 45-70s and the majority of the other cartridges you listed aren't a dime a dozen in TN. You can find a ML alot easier than you can a 45-70 in my neck of the woods.

 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
And here me out, I am saying make single shot handguns in any .35 caliber or larger pistol cartridge legal, and your .35 caliber rifles that were "former" black powder cartridges such as the 38/40, 44/40, 45/70

And again, it's been years since I've laid eyes on a 44-40. My local Wal-Mart don't stock ammo for any of the 3 cartridges you just listed.

If a person doesn't feel comfortable shooting a ML how do they feel comfortable shooting a centerfire rifle? I can see what goes into the barrel of my ML when I load it. Do you know exactly how much and what type of powder is in each loaded round you buy? Nope.

And if you don't have the strength to reload a ML how do you have the strength to fire a regular rifle? ML's can be loaded at home by someone with the ability to load it then used in the field by another person that may not have the ability. And if you can't physically load a ML, then you really don't need to be hunting alone.
I know the Wal-Mart in Ashland City near me stocks 45/70 in Remington, Winchester and Federal brands and it sells. I am also saying you can use a pistol cartridge like 357 or 44 mag, 10MM, and we all know they are of less of an advantage to a muzzleloader. In a handgun even more so.

Muzzleloading is expensive, I mean good quality sabots like Barnes or Harvester run you 20.00+ for 15 sabots, then you buy your pellets or loose powder at 30+ dollars, you can buy a box of 45/70's for 35.00, or a box of 44 mags for about the same, and they offer you no more advantage than a muzzleloader does with a good sabot and 150gr load. We can get into the barrel length argument and reload speed, and let's just say the average person could reload a single shot 10 seconds faster...really, do you think it would make that big of a difference over a two week season?

I am all for keeping a dedicated bow season, because I agree 100% once the firearms start ringing off, the deer become more pressured, but for a two week muzzleloader season, if someone wants to use a single shot handgun chambered in a handgun caliber or a slug gun, so beid, they are no more at an advantage than me shooting my Savage 10MLII, and it may offer the opportunity for someone to hunt who otherwise could not.

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#3074003 - 12/11/12 09:29 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Contendershooter, Louisiana does have single shot centerfire rifles of at least .35 caliber, with an exposed hammer, as legal during their primitive weapons season. The change is effective this year. They wanted both more hunter participation and an increased kill. Seems like a needed change if those two things occur.

interesting, i did not know that had passed in LA yet... I know this has some people stirred, and my whole point is this...if you have a gun that goes boom, fires a single shot, it's really not going to make that big of a difference to use a single shot shotgun that uses the exact same 209 primer to ignite the shell, the exact same bullet in a sabot that you fire from your muzzleloader, or to downgrade yourself, use a foster slug, or shoot a single shot handgun or rifle that are caliber restricted.

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#3074008 - 12/11/12 09:32 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: strutandrut]
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 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
This thread is stupid. Someone joins 3 days ago and gets this kind of response making a statement that will surely get us fired up. Yep, I called it. Old member rejoining to make waves. I will stand by that until proven otherwise.

In the mean time, I'm going to the trail can forum to look at Bigfoot, black panther, and cougar pics.
welcome back to you too, and I joined this forum after looking at the TNDEER site for years, advertising on the classifieds, etc... just have not been interested in posting anything, and this idea was bounced around last year by myself and other hunters I work with so I took it to the commission...I have a presentation to do before the commission in 2013 on the issue, so I am just attempting to get feedback from other hunters before even bothering. I actually do care about what others think unlike some people on this forum and politicians. Sigh....

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#3074016 - 12/11/12 09:36 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
Hunter 257W, I quoted contendershooter in that post. He had quoted your previous post (nested quotes so to speak). He previously stated he could reload his ML as fast as he could reload a single shot rifle. A feat that I would personally like to challenge \:\)
I am not on here to challenge anyone, just to put feelers out on an issue. I am saying I have seen on hunting shows where people have those tube quick loaders, and I have got pretty good with them myself on reloading a smoke pole quick, as you can use those to insert your pellets or powder and push a sabot or bullet all in one push. Granted, I said "just as fast" and I admit I should have wrote "just about as fast" but the time between reloading the two is negligible.

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