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#3072943 - 12/10/12 04:34 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: BSK]
Wes Parrish
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It seems to me most discussions on TNdeer.com are pretty civil, and we'll never totally agree on much anything.

So I'll have to disagree with what BSK just said by "fixing" it to be in the context of us bowhunters already getting the "first opportunity" and that opportunity lasting over a month before anyone gets any opportunity with a firearm. \:\)
In this context . . . . . .

 Originally Posted By: BSK
In essence, their primary reason for bow-hunting is to get time in the woods with less competition from other hunters. I certainly don't begrudge them that desire. However, arguing vehemently that they somehow deserve yet MORE exclusive time alone in the woods is a problem. That's where the selfishness comes into play.

Fixed it for you, BSK.

I like our current season segments, i.e. archery, muzzleloader, gun. Good balance for all.

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#3072985 - 12/10/12 04:52 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Thanks Wes! ;\)
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#3072988 - 12/10/12 04:52 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Coach
What in the world is it coming to when our discussions are about how one group feels superior to another?


Although I've read a few posts that reak of superiority, I don't think that is really the point. In fact, "elitism" probably isn't the right word. The right word is "selfishness." And by that I mean that many bow hunters don't want other hunters hunting during bow season simply because they don't want to share the woods with other hunters. In essence, their primary reason for bow-hunting is to get time in the woods with less competition from other hunters. I certainly don't begrudge them that desire. However, arguing vehemently that they somehow deserve that time alone in the woods is a problem. That's where the selfishness comes into play.


It's also possible that bowhunters have/need to have their quarry closer in order to be able to get an ethical shot...and having more hunters in the woods may possibly hamper that effort. Like I stated, I hunt with all three and enjoy all three very much but I also hunt private land only. I'm thinking of hunting with a camera and puttin' the dis on weapon hunters.. ;\)
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#3073024 - 12/10/12 05:15 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Coach
What in the world is it coming to when our discussions are about how one group feels superior to another?


Although I've read a few posts that reak of superiority, I don't think that is really the point. In fact, "elitism" probably isn't the right word. The right word is "selfishness." And by that I mean that many bow hunters don't want other hunters hunting during bow season simply because they don't want to share the woods with other hunters. In essence, their primary reason for bow-hunting is to get time in the woods with less competition from other hunters. I certainly don't begrudge them that desire. However, arguing vehemently that they somehow deserve that time alone in the woods is a problem. That's where the selfishness comes into play.


It's also possible that bowhunters have/need to have their quarry closer in order to be able to get an ethical shot...and having more hunters in the woods may possibly hamper that effort.


And if it does, so what? Everyone having the same opportunity to hunt the same number of days, with their weapon of choice, is fair. If you want to challenge yourself by using a bow, then accept the challenge, and everything that goes with it (like needing to get closer to your quary and the fact other hunters may hamper that effort).

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#3073050 - 12/10/12 05:27 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: BSK]
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Yall are way over thinking this some people just want to close gun season for a few weeks to give the deer a break, even if there is no hunting at all for the 2 weeks. How could it be elitist anyway, just go buy a bow and bow hunt no one is stopping you
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#3073054 - 12/10/12 05:28 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: BSK]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
If you want to challenge yourself by using a bow, then accept the challenge, and everything that goes with it (like needing to get closer to your quarry and the fact other hunters may hamper that effort).

I agree.
Other hunters don't "owe" special homage to someone just because he CHOOSES to use a less effective weapon.

 Originally Posted By: jar
. . . . . some people just want to close gun season for a few weeks to give the deer a break, even if there is no hunting at all for the 2 weeks.

But MOST hunters don't.
Most just want to know the rules, so they can go hunting without worrying about accidentally breaking the law.

 Originally Posted By: jar
. . . . just go buy a bow and bow hunt no one is stopping you

Likewise, if you want no hunting for a couple weeks during November, just stop hunting. \:\)

Oh, what I would have given to have had our current season segments when I was doing lots of deer hunting back in the 70's and 80's. Back when archery season ended October 31, and didn't re-open. Back when there was no muzzleloader season. It was mostly just "deer" season in late November, although there were few deer compared to today. I did bowhunt a lot in October, and the "modern" bows of that day are now antiquated.

We even had a 1-buck limit in TN when I started deer hunting back in the bad "good" old days! \:D

IMO, we have it great today with our current season segments in TN, regardless of which weapons we prefer to use while deer hunting.

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#3073104 - 12/10/12 05:50 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I can't stand the arguing on the subject either. I LOVE to bow hunt, but CAN'T WAIT to get a gun in my hand! I wouldn't argue anything unless they tried to shorten the time I could have a gun ;\)
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#3073134 - 12/10/12 06:10 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Coach
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Coach
What in the world is it coming to when our discussions are about how one group feels superior to another?


Although I've read a few posts that reak of superiority, I don't think that is really the point. In fact, "elitism" probably isn't the right word. The right word is "selfishness." And by that I mean that many bow hunters don't want other hunters hunting during bow season simply because they don't want to share the woods with other hunters. In essence, their primary reason for bow-hunting is to get time in the woods with less competition from other hunters. I certainly don't begrudge them that desire. However, arguing vehemently that they somehow deserve that time alone in the woods is a problem. That's where the selfishness comes into play.


It's also possible that bowhunters have/need to have their quarry closer in order to be able to get an ethical shot...and having more hunters in the woods may possibly hamper that effort.


And if it does, so what? Everyone having the same opportunity to hunt the same number of days, with their weapon of choice, is fair. If you want to challenge yourself by using a bow, then accept the challenge, and everything that goes with it (like needing to get closer to your quary and the fact other hunters may hamper that effort).



The main point of my thread is all the elitism comments about bowhunters and the fact I have never heard of it before nor has any of my hunting buddies. I disagree with you BSK but not enough to debate it. I hunt all private land and if you come on my land in your orange during bow season disturbing my hunt I'd have more to say I guess...By the way, do you bow hunt? ;\)
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#3073148 - 12/10/12 06:14 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: Coach]
Wes Parrish
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Just to interject more info (if it's true), is it true that many deer hunters cannot legally deer hunt with a firearm in Tennessee during gun season, but can with a bow?
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#3073167 - 12/10/12 06:23 PM Re: Elitism?? Really? [Re: jar]
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 Originally Posted By: jar
Yall are way over thinking this some people just want to close gun season for a few weeks to give the deer a break, even if there is no hunting at all for the 2 weeks. How could it be elitist anyway, just go buy a bow and bow hunt no one is stopping you


What if a I don't want to hunt with a bow?

Why do bow hunters think they deserve time to hunt when other hunters wanting to use other weapons can't?

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