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#3072802 - 12/10/12 03:21 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
Wanting to eliminate archery season to extend gun season is selfish as well...


Really?

I think we would all agree that the vast majority of bow hunters also hunt during MZ season (either with bow or MZ) and gun season (with bow, MZ, or gun). So those bow hunting get to hunt all the days hunting is open, which this year is 99. Those who are gun-only hunters get 50 days of hunting this year. Now please explain to me how those only getting 50 days to hunt, and would also like 99 days to hunt like the bow-hunters currently get, are selfish? Honestly, I can't wait to hear your logic for this! \:\)
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#3072808 - 12/10/12 03:22 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: Redfred16]
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 Originally Posted By: Redfred16
 Originally Posted By: MUP
The "earn a buck" program would hit the crapper really quick if some here were relegated to hunting where there weren't enough does to shoot 3 a day, everyday. Once again, the herd structure isn't the same all over the state.


As someone who lived through "earn a buck" its the worst idea ever. It doesn't even help the reason we're told it was put in place. Finally Wisconsin DNR was forced to end it.



I agree that Earn-A-Buck can end up being a disaster.
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#3072815 - 12/10/12 03:25 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: chiggerbit]
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 Originally Posted By: chiggerbit
Seems to me like the factors to consider are what works and weigh the intended outcomes with possible unintended consequences, not so much to try to forsee changes in attitude unless it affected behavior.

Entitlement is a nationwide epidemic, but do you really want guys with high powered rifles out in the woods everywhere all fall while the leaves are still on? For instance, would the seasons say the same at a place like Big South Fork? Would other folks that deer hunters share the woods with embrace an all weapons deer season starting so early in the year? And back to privilege and entitlement, would or could this "early" army of orange also develop a sense of entitlement that made the hikers, leaf watchers, and squirrel hunters they shared the woods with, a little resentful?

I'm just saying. I think they could leave well enough alone.


Great post chiggerbit. I don't think public hunting areas, nor areas shared with non-hunting activities, could withstand a long all-weapons season.
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#3072838 - 12/10/12 03:36 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: BSK]
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#3072932 - 12/10/12 04:29 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
Wanting to eliminate archery season to extend gun season is selfish as well...


Really?

I think we would all agree that the vast majority of bow hunters also hunt during MZ season (either with bow or MZ) and gun season (with bow, MZ, or gun). So those bow hunting get to hunt all the days hunting is open, which this year is 99. Those who are gun-only hunters get 50 days of hunting this year. Now please explain to me how those only getting 50 days to hunt, and would also like 99 days to hunt like the bow-hunters currently get, are selfish? Honestly, I can't wait to hear your logic for this! \:\)



My point remains the same as stated in the first part of my post, if each individual could change the rules then they would... to better fit their individual wants/needs. By eliminating archery season to better fit your wants/needs you will be affecting others negatively whether you see it or not. I enjoy archery season more so than rifle for the exact reason you state... less competition/careless deer. I NEVER claimed that this is not selfish, in fact I stated that it is MORE selfish in my original post. I do however feel that it is fair. You can bow hunt if you want... there is no reason why you can't now that anyone can hunt with a x-bow. You can hunt 99 days just as well as I can, but it is more work and requires more skill. To wish the season away so that it is easier for you to kill deer and to get you in the woods the extra days is selfish... even if it less selfish than wanting the woods to yourself as a bow hunter... its still selfish. For archery to survive, there must be a dedicated archery season. Same goes for ML. If you want more days in the woods, get a bow. That is fair.
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#3072962 - 12/10/12 04:42 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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Just to add a different perspective . . . . . . .

 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
For archery to survive, there must be a dedicated archery season. Same goes for ML.

Are you saying there would be no archery or black-powder enthusiasts if we didn't have "special" hunting seasons for members of this group?

Should archery and black-powder weapons become less popular with hunters, is that necessarily "bad"?

Many of the most enthused over archery and "special" guns don't even hunt. To me, it's more about HUNTING, than the weapon.

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#3072980 - 12/10/12 04:50 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: EastTNHunter]
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 Originally Posted By: EastTNHunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
The "earn a buck" program would hit the crapper really quick if some here were relegated to hunting where there weren't enough does to shoot 3 a day, everyday. Once again, the herd structure isn't the same all over the state.


But that don't matter for many supposed QDMers... One size fits all.


Why not "one size fits all"? That's how TWRA does the turkey regs. If you live in a county with 10 turkeys or 10 million, the regs are the same.

By the way, I'm being facetious about doing deer that way. I think TWRA does a great job with the deer management. Turkeys? Not so much.


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#3073018 - 12/10/12 05:09 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
Wanting to eliminate archery season to extend gun season is selfish as well...


Really?

I think we would all agree that the vast majority of bow hunters also hunt during MZ season (either with bow or MZ) and gun season (with bow, MZ, or gun). So those bow hunting get to hunt all the days hunting is open, which this year is 99. Those who are gun-only hunters get 50 days of hunting this year. Now please explain to me how those only getting 50 days to hunt, and would also like 99 days to hunt like the bow-hunters currently get, are selfish? Honestly, I can't wait to hear your logic for this! \:\)



My point remains the same as stated in the first part of my post, if each individual could change the rules then they would... to better fit their individual wants/needs.


Or simply wanting equality of hunting time. How is that selfish?


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By eliminating archery season...


I don't want to eliminate bow hunting, just bow only hunting. Why can't the bow hunters share the woods?


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...you will be affecting others negatively whether you see it or not.


Of course it would negatively affect bow hunters. I never said it wouldn't. But again, how is "Group A" (gun hunters) wanting the same number of days in the woods as "Group B" (bow hunters) selfish?


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I enjoy archery season more so than rifle for the exact reason you state... less competition/careless deer. I NEVER claimed that this is not selfish, in fact I stated that it is MORE selfish in my original post. I do however feel that it is fair.


How is thsi fair? Fair suggests equality. This is not equality. Equality is everyone getting to hunt the same number of days with their weapon of choice. If you want to use a bow, so be it. I prefer to use a gun. If we both get to hunt the same number of days with our weapon of choice, that would be fair.


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You can bow hunt if you want... there is no reason why you can't now that anyone can hunt with a x-bow. You can hunt 99 days just as well as I can, but it is more work and requires more skill. To wish the season away so that it is easier for you to kill deer and to get you in the woods the extra days is selfish...


This has nothing to do with how "easy" or "hard" a weapon is to use. This all about fairness. So you get to hunt with your weaponof choice, but if i want to hunt, I have to use your weapon of choice, not mine? And that's fair? Don't think so...

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...even if it less selfish than wanting the woods to yourself as a bow hunter... its still selfish.


So when people ask for equality of rights, that's selfishness? Hmmm, strange definition of selfishness.


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For archery to survive, there must be a dedicated archery season. Same goes for ML.


Whether a type of weapon continues to be used is of no interest. We're talking fairness and selfishness here.


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If you want more days in the woods, get a bow. That is fair.


No, getting to hunt with the weapon I personally want, and you getting to hunt with the weapon you prefer, for the same number of days, is fair.
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#3073055 - 12/10/12 05:28 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: Pinwheeled]
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#3073064 - 12/10/12 05:32 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: BSK]
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