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#3072280 - 12/10/12 09:59 AM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: shwackmaster]
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I would be all for it as long as I can use handgranades and claymores and my presonal favorite an M60.
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#3072326 - 12/10/12 10:34 AM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: LETMWALK]
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 Originally Posted By: LETMWALK
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A 1 BUCK LIMIT AND YOU MUST KILL A DOE FIRST TO RECEIVE YOURE BUCK TAG!!!

You should have served that comment with popcorn! \:\)
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#3072563 - 12/10/12 01:07 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: plinker22]
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The "earn a buck" program would hit the crapper really quick if some here were relegated to hunting where there weren't enough does to shoot 3 a day, everyday. Once again, the herd structure isn't the same all over the state.
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#3072589 - 12/10/12 01:21 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
The "earn a buck" program would hit the crapper really quick if some here were relegated to hunting where there weren't enough does to shoot 3 a day, everyday. Once again, the herd structure isn't the same all over the state.


But that don't matter for many supposed QDMers... One size fits all.

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#3072591 - 12/10/12 01:26 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: EastTNHunter]
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An all weapons season would be fine with me, but I don't have any problem at all with the way seasons are set right now. I do like our current season layout a lot better than a few years ago with all the shuffling back and forth between muzzleloader and regular gun periods, and the "time outs".

I definitely do NOT like the earn a buck idea, and do not think it is necessary.

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#3072606 - 12/10/12 01:41 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: woodchuckc]
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I've never witnessed BSK be so wrong about something \:\)

The truth is, everyone wants it set up the way it benefits them most. Gun only hunters want an open season, ML hunters want it combined with archery, and archers want it to stay the same. Wanting to eliminate archery season to extend gun season is selfish as well (even though I understand your argument that it is "more" selfish to want the woods to yourself as a bow hunter).

Personally, I have a lot invested in bow hunting (both time, labor, and mostly money). If there was no dedicated archery season I would never carry a bow into the woods again. Even though I love it and find it the most rewarding, I would not put myself at that disadvantage knowing the woods are full of hunters with guns. Therefore, I must vote to keep the season the same. PS: My opinion is the right one ;\)
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#3072613 - 12/10/12 01:44 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: EastTNHunter]
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 Originally Posted By: EastTNHunter
 Originally Posted By: MUP
The "earn a buck" program would hit the crapper really quick if some here were relegated to hunting where there weren't enough does to shoot 3 a day, everyday. Once again, the herd structure isn't the same all over the state.


But that don't matter for many supposed QDMers... One size fits all.


I practice QDM on my farm (Allowing bucks to reach an adult age of 2.5 yrs old) QDM and Trophy Management are two different things but sadly are beginning to blend together.

I am completely against any Earn a Buck program. In the area I hunt the deer are nowhere near the biological carrying capacity and my buck to doe ratio is pretty good. Shooting more does than necessary will not benefit the deer herd at all on my place. Also, if I wouldnt have shot a doe during bow season, that would mean I would have had to pass a 4.5 and a 5.5 yr old buck this year. Tell me how that would have benefitted anything!

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#3072658 - 12/10/12 02:12 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
The "earn a buck" program would hit the crapper really quick if some here were relegated to hunting where there weren't enough does to shoot 3 a day, everyday. Once again, the herd structure isn't the same all over the state.


As someone who lived through "earn a buck" its the worst idea ever. It doesn't even help the reason we're told it was put in place. Finally Wisconsin DNR was forced to end it.
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#3072662 - 12/10/12 02:15 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: Rubberduck270]
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I'm fine with current weapon structure (crossbows during bow season, in-lines during mz, etc)
- I'm fine with season start and end dates

And the argument about crossbows during bow season is getting old AND rediculous. Get over it.
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#3072678 - 12/10/12 02:20 PM Re: Should TN Go to All Weapons Season? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: chiggerbit
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
Yes have just a deer season. open on oct 1-JAN 1 And any weapon is legal but yoyou have a set number of deer allowwed to take.


I've been advocating that for years, simply because I'm tired of hearing hunters argue over who should have the most hunting days, bow hunters versus gun hunters versus pistol hunters, etc.

Just make it deer season. Let hunters choose which weapon they want to hunt with.


Maybe you're not serious, but just because there's arguments and elitism among the ranks...? Clearly, the commission hasn't just arbitrarily set up the seasons as they are.


Actually, I'm quite serious. I would have no problem with just "deer" season (no individual weapons seasons).

You have to understand how all of these special weapons seasons got started. Back during the deer restoration effort, the primary deer season was gun season. Then advocates for hunting with more difficult/less effective (and rarely used weapons) lobbied for these "special" seasons. Considering very few hunters would participate in these seasons, they were enacted because their influence on annual deer harvests would be almost non-existant. In essence, they were allowed because the agency believed few deer would ever be killed during these special weapons season. Archery season was first adopted before the compound bow craze started. MZ season started when just a few people were shooting the first Hawken "kit" side-hammers (build them yourself). The "real" deer season was always gun season and these other special weapons season were just after-thoughts that would provide some opportunity for a few while doing no harm.

Yet the popularity of the seasons (because they offered more hunting time than gun season) grew to the point that now some participants in these seasons feel they somehow deserve their special time in the woods, and that their time should dominate all other weapon hunters' times.


Yes, lobbying is usually the reason for any legislation, but that doesn't mean the seasons aren't reasonable or valid.

Seems to me like the factors to consider are what works and weigh the intended outcomes with possible unintended consequences, not so much to try to forsee changes in attitude unless it affected behavior.

Entitlement is a nationwide epidemic, but do you really want guys with high powered rifles out in the woods everywhere all fall while the leaves are still on? For instance, would the seasons say the same at a place like Big South Fork? Would other folks that deer hunters share the woods with embrace an all weapons deer season starting so early in the year? And back to privilege and entitlement, would or could this "early" army of orange also develop a sense of entitlement that made the hikers, leaf watchers, and squirrel hunters they shared the woods with, a little resentful?

I'm just saying. I think they could leave well enough alone.

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