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#3077098 - 12/13/12 08:19 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
I would like to carry a weapon that would provide me the best chance of acquiring the game I am pursuing. I also think about other hunters needs and challenges . . . . . . . .

Then why not just open rifle season the first Saturday of November and do away with ML season all together?

x 2

Yep.
Either leave it as "muzzleloader" season, or change it to "deer season, any weapon". No need to require so many other hunters to purchase a new weapon to participate. Most already have a centerfire rifle or a shotgun for deer hunting, but almost none have a single-shot centerfire.

And again, as we carefully consider what we wish for, it would be a reasonable expectation that a lowering of annual deer limits (both antlered & antlerless) would coincide with any significant increase in hunting days with more effective weapons (at least in the coming year or two).


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My thoughts exactly Wes. Instead of opening MZ season to more and more weapons that are not MZs, just open gun season Nov. 1. But as you mentioned, that might require lowering bag limits.
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#3077113 - 12/13/12 08:31 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
and the fact that I am actually considering other hunters opinions before presenting this to the TWRA commission in Feb.

When and where is this going to take place? I might have to make a trip to see your little Presentation on this matter.

Still waiting on a location and time contendershooter.
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#3077152 - 12/13/12 09:04 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Rubberduck270]
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I think it is just a matter of time till more and more states are like Mississippi and South Carolina.

This isn't the 1950s when TN was still restocking deer and wanted short seasons.


Edited by Doskil (12/13/12 09:05 AM)

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#3077159 - 12/13/12 09:13 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
and the fact that I am actually considering other hunters opinions before presenting this to the TWRA commission in Feb.

When and where is this going to take place? I might have to make a trip to see your little Presentation on this matter.

Still waiting on a location and time contendershooter.
don't know yet, they have not gave me an exact time and date

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#3077170 - 12/13/12 09:25 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: recurve60#]
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 Originally Posted By: recurve60#
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
 Originally Posted By: Outdoor Enthusiast
 Originally Posted By: recurve60#
Do you have stock in or sell said guns you are promoting?

Just sayin...brand new member and show up with surveys to help your your cause.


^^I am curious too.
No, the only gun stock I own is Ruger and their firearms would not qualify, with maybe the exception of the Ruger single shot, but at near $1,000 each compared to your $300.00 handi-rifle, it seems like a no-brainier on that choice.

Why are the old dogs on here so up on new members asking questions or posting?

My premise was explained quite thoroughly but I will recap for those who have not read the entire thread. I am a hunter, I love to hunt and love the outdoors. I work a lot just like 99% of everyone else on here, and when I get the random change to go hunting I would like to carry a weapon that would provide me the best chance of acquiring the game I am pursuing. I also think about other hunters needs and challenges, ways to get more people into hunting and keeping hunters in the game, because let's face it, the way things are going now, hunting is dying out in some ways.

I benefit in no way in the allowance of single shot rifles, shotguns and handguns other than it gives additional choices for hunters to enjoy a time honored past time.


No one is giving anyone a hard time about posting a thread here...only ones pushing an agenda. Some here were not born yesterday and can see this is a serious agenda here you are pushing when all in reality you need to do if you're worried about acquiring game when you hunt is use a ML during Ml season like everyone else does. ESPECIALLY since you say todays ML's are as efficient as your proposed weapons.

In essence...use one of said ML's and you're better off than using a shotgun,pistol or large caliber centerfire rifle according to your point of view in your argument. So why all this?

What I am proposing is using weapons that are equal to or less equal to ballistically to a muzzleloader, along with the fact using those type of weapons will still provide a short range challenge, while at the same time giving more opportunity for more hunters. Were you this upset when people proposed allowing crossbows? If you want to shoot a recurve with feathered fletched arrows, fine, but don't get onto the guy who shoots the crossbow, which is still archery tackle.

But you can't honestly sit there and say that if I took a single shot pistol in 44 Magnum, I would have an advantage over someone shooting a Knight, T/C, Savage, CVA, Traditions, Lyman, or whatever brand of inline with a scope on it. I would be handicapping myself further, but I would have a weapon that in some ways is easier to function and maintain. I would not have an advantage shooting a single shot shotgun or single shot 45.70 either. Some people on here have complained why not make it an open gun season starting the first Saturday in November, well muzzleloader season was started as an additional opportunity to hunt with a built in handicap of the weapon. You make it an open gun, that handicap is removed. You limit the weapon styles during those two weeks, then you still have a handicap as originally designed. And with as much hunting crap as people buy and the excuse to get a new gun, a 275.00 handi-rifle won't break the bank i suspect...

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#3077180 - 12/13/12 09:32 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: SES]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
and the fact that I am actually considering other hunters opinions before presenting this to the TWRA commission in Feb.

When and where is this going to take place? I might have to make a trip to see your little Presentation on this matter.
I hope you have a lot of spare time. Unless they shut him down, he could be up there a while. Very opinionated individual.
and having an opinion is a bad thing? How do you think the laws were changed to what they are now SES? You realize it was the fur hunters who changed the deer seasons to allow any centerfire right? They had and opinion too...The reason I placed the post on here is to get other hunters insight and opinions along with the survey, and if the figures don't warrant the proposal, or warrant modification of the proposal, then I will either can it or modify it. Unlike some opinionated people on here, I am not being selfish, I am actually throwing an idea out there and seeing what people think. So if the vast majority would prefer a bow season then all weapons, then I would modify my view and present why. Leave it like it is, well then I would propose nothing and drop it. But as stated I am looking for feedback and taking snipe comments is cheap.

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#3077184 - 12/13/12 09:34 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: smyrnagc]
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 Originally Posted By: smyrnagc
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
survey results so far as of 8:27AM CST on 12/12/12:

keep it the way it is: 51%

add use of shotguns with muzzleloaders: 5%

add use of handguns and shotguns with muzzleloaders: 5%

add use of single shot rifles, handguns and shotguns with muzzleloaders 35%

make current muzzleloader season primitive muzzleloaders only and move in-lines to modern gun 2%

create a January primitive season 2%

keep the answers coming as I am going to keep the survey up thru the second week of January to make it as fair and accurate as possible before I do my presentation. I think I will include some data on the all the people who are advocating the any weapon season, and this may be a middle ground that is fair to our bow hunters and will not effect the remainder of the season.


My question would be, will you change the approach to your presentation based on your (this) survey results? It is apparent that the majority of your responses (51% which is a majority) are not in favor of any change. That 51% could be low if not all of the negative commentor's voted.

You also state "I think I will include some data on all the people who are advocating the any weapon season". Will you also include in your presentation that a majority of those that took the survey on tndeer voted to leave it as is?
Yes, and that is the whole point of this...to me it only seems fair to point out everyone's opinion

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#3077203 - 12/13/12 09:49 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: contendershooter]
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OK this is the last change I will make to the survey. Due to some comments on there that were repeating theirself about the any weapons season, I have modified the survey once again, and added a choice to have an archery season, then open it to any weapon on the same day the current muzzleloader season opens. I think the question choices are now consistent with everyone's views on this post, and I will be able to obtain the most consistent data with this new question format.

SO TNDEER readers, please take the time to go take the survey one more time, and this will be the final revision that will remain until January 18, 2013. Thanks everyone for your responses

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6R68PS

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#3077222 - 12/13/12 09:57 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: contendershooter]
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 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
 Originally Posted By: smyrnagc
 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
survey results so far as of 8:27AM CST on 12/12/12:

keep it the way it is: 51%

add use of shotguns with muzzleloaders: 5%

add use of handguns and shotguns with muzzleloaders: 5%

add use of single shot rifles, handguns and shotguns with muzzleloaders 35%

make current muzzleloader season primitive muzzleloaders only and move in-lines to modern gun 2%

create a January primitive season 2%

keep the answers coming as I am going to keep the survey up thru the second week of January to make it as fair and accurate as possible before I do my presentation. I think I will include some data on the all the people who are advocating the any weapon season, and this may be a middle ground that is fair to our bow hunters and will not effect the remainder of the season.


My question would be, will you change the approach to your presentation based on your (this) survey results? It is apparent that the majority of your responses (51% which is a majority) are not in favor of any change. That 51% could be low if not all of the negative commentor's voted.

You also state "I think I will include some data on all the people who are advocating the any weapon season". Will you also include in your presentation that a majority of those that took the survey on tndeer voted to leave it as is?
Yes, and that is the whole point of this...to me it only seems fair to point out everyone's opinion


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#3077236 - 12/13/12 10:07 AM Re: Want to change manner & means during muzzleloader [Re: contendershooter]
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Leave cartridge guns out of muzzle loading season. Changing the name to primitive weapons season makes no sense to me.....Heck, I don't even consider my flintlock primitve much less a single shot breech loading rifle.

While we're on the subject of what other states do, why don't we have a flintlock only segment like the they do in Pennsylvania.

......Yea, that'll be the day \:D
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