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#3065748 - 12/06/12 07:43 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Muddyboots,

For your area, that sounds right.

Not the last 4 or 5 years since i started keeping up with it! This year is totally different.
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#3065790 - 12/06/12 08:10 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Muddyboots,

For your area, that sounds right.

Not the last 4 or 5 years since i started keeping up with it! This year is totally different.


Interesting. What has the timeline been over the last 4-5 years?
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#3065854 - 12/06/12 08:54 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: smyrnagc]
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I saw, hands down, THE most chasing and buck activity I've seen in 30+ years of hunting on the opening Sat, both morning and eve. As I don't hunt on Sundays, I was back out there on Monday, and the rest of the week as well. I didn't see but two does the entire week! But, on the following Sat, I saw some more activity again but right at dark mostly. I just attributed the sudden lack of sightings as the deer had "chased" themselves off our 100+ acres, and then back on, and off, and on...etc.
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#3065951 - 12/06/12 10:04 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: MUP]
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I am just now seeing scraps and rubs here in east tn in some places and others have been there for a while it appears to just depend on where you are for the rut its no longer a calendar setting process i dont care what anyone says about it I remember when if I went down the road here and found scraps and rubs I could go to greene co. and see the same activity but not no more
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#3066037 - 12/06/12 11:05 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: coontracker49]
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 Originally Posted By: coontracker49
...it appears to just depend on where you are for the rut its no longer a calendar setting process i dont care what anyone says about it...


Well then, I guess you won't care about this response, but estrus timing in does is somewhat genetic (and hereditary). However, each family group of does can have a different genetic estrus timing. And even across fairly short geographic distances, doe groups can have differences in timing of several weeks.

In addition, each region will have a different primary timing linked to whatever conditions in early summer produce the highest fawn survival. That is how Naural Selection works. Whatever produces the highest offspring production and survival becomes favored in the genetics of the local population. If that is a rut timing in November with fawn birthing in early June, that timing will become dominant in the local population. If conditions are better for fawn survival in early July, a genetic estrus timing for a rut in December will become dominant. That's the way Nature works.
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#3066066 - 12/06/12 11:20 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: BSK]
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Well then, I guess you won't care about this response, but estrus timing in does is somewhat genetic (and hereditary). However, each family group of does can have a different genetic estrus timing. And even across fairly short geographic distances, doe groups can have differences in timing of several weeks.

In addition, each region will have a different primary timing linked to whatever conditions in early summer produce the highest fawn survival. That is how Naural Selection works. Whatever produces the highest offspring production and survival becomes favored in the genetics of the local population. If that is a rut timing in November with fawn birthing in early June, that timing will become dominant in the local population. If conditions are better for fawn survival in early July, a genetic estrus timing for a rut in December will become dominant. That's the way Nature works.
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So, based on Natural Selcetion regardless of unusual temperature changes, in this case in middle TN, the does will go into estreus close to the same time each year?
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#3066080 - 12/06/12 11:35 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: muddyboots]
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I'm in Wayne county and I expect some of the best activity this coming week. Until thanksgiving week you couldn't hardly find a scrape, which is odd as scrapes usually show up 1st of Nov. I believe this comin week will be the best week of the yr for our place...
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#3066095 - 12/06/12 11:43 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: TN24081]
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 Originally Posted By: TN24081
On my farm in Giles County, Nov. 13 was the day I noticed a major change. I went from seeing no rutting behavior almost all the way thru muzzleloader and then on Tuesday Nov 13 I seen several bucks cruising and some chasing too. From that point on, it got better, peaking around the 23rd or so. During that time I usually spent 8-12 hours in the woods, in a stand. I witnessed many chases, a very violent fight between two 2 1/2 yr old bucks and 2 does that were being tended. My or my family's place is 700+ acres and I live on it so I get to see a lot of deer even when I'm not hunting. I don't know what to tell those that say it hasn't happened yet, accept to say that it already happened on our place...


Good assessment for Giles. I saw my first doe in heat 11/18 and the 14 days after that we had great rut activity. Probably the best I have ever seen on our place. A first for me was seeing 3 different does in heat out of the same stand on 11/25. Cold weather definitely helped.

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#3066099 - 12/06/12 11:46 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Muddyboots,

For your area, that sounds right.

Not the last 4 or 5 years since i started keeping up with it! This year is totally different.


Interesting. What has the timeline been over the last 4-5 years?


Lease in Northern part of County has been first 2 1/2 weeks november.
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#3066109 - 12/06/12 11:51 AM Re: What's the Dang Deal with this Year's Rut??? [Re: Dawson]
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 Originally Posted By: Dawson
Rut was over and done by Thanksgiving on my place in Franklin. First 2 weeks of November were prime. Happened around Thanksgiving in Giles County and is now over. Warm temps had them running mostly at night there. I think those who say it hasn't happened yet in southern middle Tn missed it.


Well explain this. I keep my cams on scrapes from unusually the 25 of Oct- the end of the yr. this yr until 2 weeks ago it would take you half a day to find a scrape much less put 7 cams on scrapes through out the property in an hr I I usually can. Most mature bucks are killed on our place in Dec usually anyway despite early scraping activity...
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