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#3059433 - 12/02/12 11:48 AM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: BMan]
guthooked
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How have you accurately summed up my political views?

Here, I'll do it for you since you've got my number...

Personal rights:
I think all people should be able to do pretty much what they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. I think i should be able to own guns, lots of em, and any kind. I think marijuana should be legalized like alcohol. I think people should be able to marry who they want (but i'm fine if you want to call it a civil union). I think the government shouldn't be able to monitor, torture, or jail anyone without a clear, appropriate charge.

Domestic Policy: I support a flat tax (as a tax is necessary for maintenance). if not, then no tax. I don't support bailouts. (so i guess i'm like one of the "occupy wallstreet libs" ... But i know the bailouts are to benefit the nation, not the corrupt individuals. ) But i'm bank bailouts and car bailouts. I'm fine with drilling, coal mining, etc. I do think however those companies need to monitor their environmental impact (as then they start to hurt others...). Since most of us were immigrants I'm pretty loose on immigration. Immigration policies are far stricter now than they were then (and more rules are bad, not good). I support capitalism, which kind of supports immigrants... They want to work.

I'm not a fan of unions because i see them as a socialist practice that falsely impacts capitalist practices.

I support the push for states' rights over federal rights...

Foreign Policy:

I think we shouldn't support israel or really any other "allies" to much. It's the favoritism that get's us into fights that aren't ours. I don't want us to police the world. I am find with us supporting our own interests, but i think we should be clear about when we're doing that.

I'm not a big fan of a war unless there is a direct attack on us and the enemy is a clear one.


So, am I a libtard? doubt it. I celebrate and support liberty.

But I'm also not a Democrat or a Republican in a cleancut manner. And my point, even if i said it in a less than eloquent manner, is that most of you probably have complex world views as well.
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#3059483 - 12/02/12 12:39 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: guthooked]
BMan
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When did you decide a flat tax was good? Just last week, you stated this:

"the richest still pay a considerably lower rate than they should."

Doesn't sound like someone in favor of a flat tax; sounds like someone who is trying to hide their past statements.

You already outed yourself; deal with it.
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#3059701 - 12/02/12 03:42 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: BMan]
guthooked
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Looks like we'd benefit from a rational moderator to step in here.

As for the quote, context matters. As you know, that quote, "the richest still pay a considerably lower rate than they should." was in reference to the fact that Income tax data provided by the IRS showed that those who make over five million a year pay a 20% tax rate (about) while those who make 1-5 million a year pay about 24-25%. I didn't speak in favor of a graduated tax system or a flat tax system. But, what is represented in the data of the IRS is an inverse system above income of 1million a year. My statement that that "shouldn't be" is still true even if i believe in flat taxes.

I'm not a liar. I wasn't lying when i told you my beliefs. You've still not answered my first point though. Do you honestly think the republican or democratic party wholly encompasses your beliefs in their platforms?


Edited by guthooked (12/02/12 04:42 PM)
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#3060007 - 12/02/12 06:42 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: guthooked]
fishboy1
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gutshot has fallen for the old talking point statistic game.

(in other words lies)

When he says people "making" $5mil + only pay 20% "income tax" he has been fooled. NOBODY "making" over $100K in INCOME pays 20% in INCOME TAXES, they pay WAY WAY more.

When you blend CAPITAL GAINS in with REGULAR income, you can get the TOTAL "income tax including capital gains taxes" RATE averaged down to 20%.

That means those evil rich guys pay taxes on the money they EARN, then take substantial risk INVESTING that money, then get the "privilege" of paying TAX again on any gains they make on the money they already paid taxes on. That is called CAPITAL GAINS TAX and it has been taxed at a lower rate to encourage people to INVEST their extra money thereby growing the economy.

SO its a big lie to say someone "made" $5mil + and only paid and effective 20% INCOME TAX rate.



Edited by fishboy1 (12/02/12 06:43 PM)
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#3060022 - 12/02/12 06:55 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: fishboy1]
guthooked
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http://www.irs.gov/PUP/taxstats/productsandpubs/12infallbulincome.pdf

Here's the numbers again. Page 11 has the numbers we're talking about. They're the IRS's numbers. Actually, it's ppl over 10 mil a year pay 22% while 1-9 million a year pay about 25%. Again, that's the stats of the IRS, not mine.

Let me reiterate: I support a flat tax and believe that most people are not solely republican or democrat in their own beliefs...


Edited by guthooked (12/02/12 06:56 PM)
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#3060026 - 12/02/12 06:57 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: guthooked]
guthooked
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Question, if Capital gains are income, should they be taxed at a different rate than regular income?
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#3060078 - 12/02/12 07:21 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: guthooked]
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Capital gains come from INVESTMENTS. When YOU sell your house for more than you paid then that's capitial gains. Anything of vaule that you bought and held is investment.

If you buy and sell every day that's TRADING and NOT investment.

When you buy stocks and then turn around and sell them you are NOT investing but trading, I've been doing it every weekday for 22 years.

Auto dealers buy and sell autos everyday so do stock traders, gas traders, farmers, etc,etc. They TRADE in their products. they make money in two ways, they can draw a salary from their company and/or they can take the money from their trading as income. It's all there in their tax forms.

Someone works all his life and INVESTS in in certain things along the way, stocks, bonds, land, gold, mutual funds, etc, etc. Over time those INVESTMENTS will gain vaule or/and lose vaule but we all HOPE then will increase in vaule.

Should that man have his INVESTMENTS taxed as income?? NO, they were NOT part of his regular income. This man is now retiring and living off his INVESTMENTS, things HE PUT HIS MONEY INTO so it would GROW.
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#3060103 - 12/02/12 07:29 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: Wildcat]
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By the way while we are on this subject there are a few things people should know about Warren Buffett.

First off Buffet has been fighting the IRS for 12 years over $1 BILLION in back taxes he owns. Since he became buddy/buddy with Obama the IRS has backed off.

As for Warren Buffett's secretary, don't feel sorry for her. The poor thing only makes $3 Million a year and her husband makes $20 million a year.
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#3060105 - 12/02/12 07:30 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: Wildcat]
guthooked
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Wildcat, I have no opinion 'cause my only investment is my house. I was just asking for thoughts. Btw, do you think one the parties accurately reflect and encompass all of your political beliefs?
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#3060171 - 12/02/12 07:57 PM Re: Do you support companies who don't support you? [Re: guthooked]
sawman
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I dont know about anybody else but I dont. I dont agree with anybody all the time.
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