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#3057697 - 11/30/12 10:07 PM Something That Needs To Be Thought About!!
SJB
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Registered: 08/01/12
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What I want to know is how do you get yourself a ticket wrote when you haven't done anything wrong? It's only because you cant get out of the WMA because the gates have been locked and there is no ranger anywhere to be found. The gates were said to be locked at 6:50 and we made it to the gates by 6:50 to 7:00 and nobody is to be seen so it takes 10 to 15 minutes to walk to the ranger's house and he is already in shorts and a t shirt and about to eat supper. He finally comes to the door and is told the situation and says just hang tight he is going to eat first. Then comes in about 20 minutes and unlocks the gate and gives us a ticket for trespassing on WMA property because he said he gives an hour after sunset to get out and I always thought that was when it was dark not a set time. All we done was hunted until sunset and then picked each other up and headed out, the ranger said you should have thought about that. Well he needs to think about what if somebody has killed a deer way back in there right at dark? There is no way they could get out in an hour, and what if you have car trouble or anything. These things need to be thought about at this WMA, because the gates were locked before any 6:50 too, because the ranger was already home and changed and about to eat before 6:50 to 7:00.

Edited by SJB (11/30/12 10:09 PM)

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#3057714 - 11/30/12 10:25 PM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: SJB]
Mr.x
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Registered: 11/06/12
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that is awful! Sometimes thinking of how it feels in the other guys shoes may make them have "some" compassion. We need more Andy's and less Barney's. How much did it cost you?
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#3057728 - 11/30/12 10:40 PM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: Mr.x]
travle
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Registered: 10/16/12
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Well it seems like the problem is he had a stick up his rear, though the WMA hunting hours state you must be out by 1 hour after sunset which would put you out by probably 6:30..being so close to time comes to him having a little compassion and not being so rude. I think they should have to cruise the parking spots to make sure people are out before they lock you in there. And then make a judgement call on the ticket based on your time out of there. Say if you're still in there at 8 or so. But being there at or right after the gates are said to be locked isn't room for a ticket.
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#3057733 - 11/30/12 10:44 PM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: travle]
pass-thru
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Registered: 10/10/04
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Go to your court date and see what happens.
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#3057748 - 11/30/12 11:19 PM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: pass-thru]
fourwheeler431
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Official sunset was 5:21pm today wasn't. Like pass-thru said you can always see what the judge says.
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#3057908 - 12/01/12 07:42 AM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: fourwheeler431]
pick-a-spot
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While that ranger is handing me a ticket I would mention that a little consideration for hunters who pay his salary might be in order.
Sounds like the type that likes to throw his weight around. Seen that type before.
On the other hand you should ask for his phone number so you can call him next time if you run late. Also keep track of sunset times.
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#3057924 - 12/01/12 08:01 AM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: pick-a-spot]
catman529
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Registered: 11/10/10
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The WMA I'm hunting now technically closes the gates at dark but for the quota hunts they have left it open so hunters can come in early and not get locked in if it take a while to get out. Sounds like your ranger has a problem understanding what deer hunting is...
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#3057932 - 12/01/12 08:14 AM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: pick-a-spot]
BigGameGuy
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Not trying to be hard-nosed, just offering the other side of the argument. Officers use great discretion 99% of the time but rules are rules. You mention, "what if you had a deer or what if you had car trouble?" Did you have either of these? This is where officer discretion comes into play. If hunting regulations are meant as guidelines for hunters just to be "close to" then the Hunting Guide would simply be a "book of suggestions". If that were to occur, then few rules would ever stand up in court. Most officers I know don't enjoy writing tickets especially in those situations, however, that's their job. It is now the judges job to decide if the citation is warranted. Having said that, I understand your frustration. Good luck in court.
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#3057937 - 12/01/12 08:19 AM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: catman529]
coontracker49
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Registered: 11/27/12
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Its simple we pay for wma stamps and the wildlife resources have no control on when forestry shuts the gates I have went off about this more than once it does no good I hounestly believe a wma permit is a joke considering they closed all gates down last year before x-mas and they are talk about doing it again on the 17th SO me personally I think forestry and TWRA need to get together and say we have people paying for a wma stamp and they arent getting to use them all hunting season how can we work this to comply when you all shut the gates.
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#3057943 - 12/01/12 08:22 AM Re: Something That Needs To Be Thought About!! [Re: coontracker49]
corymhoward
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Registered: 05/04/08
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Dismissed.....just my guess
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