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#3053028 - 11/28/12 09:05 AM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
My money and the evidence says fraud


aaannndd YEP.
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#3053695 - 11/28/12 04:58 PM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: Fordman]
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 Originally Posted By: Fordman
I think hitting the reset(financial collapse) button is the only thing that will fix us. The country is beyond help or repair at this point.


Agreed. The reset button gets pushed when the US dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency, and that day is approaching rapidly. We will wake up one morning to that nightmare. None of us has any idea how truly horrific it will be for Americans once our "exhorbitant privilege" is gone and no aircraft carrier battlegroup is going to make any difference. And for that, you can thank Republicans, Democrats, (neo) conseratives and liberals.

Here's why. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-28/cost-kidding-yourself
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#3053938 - 11/28/12 07:26 PM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: OHVATN]
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Thanks for link and info. Good stuff from zero hedge!
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#3053961 - 11/28/12 07:38 PM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: OHVATN]
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IMO, we need to change the mindset of Americans. No, the GOP is not perfect by any stretch.
They should lay out the realities of debt and our current situation with brutal honesty, not that anyone would listen.

However, we've bred new generations of laziness and dependency, get rich quick if you will.
We used to strive to be the best of the best, no matter your upbringing, race, gender, etc.
Today, the i-phone 4 just doesn't cut it, you're nothing unless you have the newer version.

Americans want the "bling", they just gave up working for it.
Now we're stuck with an ignorant & lazy block of people who will elect whoever promises the most free stuff and both parties enable them...... libs have just mastered the way to advertise and encourage it.
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#3054053 - 11/28/12 08:13 PM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
IMO, we need to change the mindset of Americans. No, the GOP is not perfect by any stretch.
They should lay out the realities of debt and our current situation with brutal honesty, not that anyone would listen.

However, we've bred new generations of laziness and dependency, get rich quick if you will.
We used to strive to be the best of the best, no matter your upbringing, race, gender, etc.
Today, the i-phone 4 just doesn't cut it, you're nothing unless you have the newer version.

Americans want the "bling", they just gave up working for it.
Now we're stuck with an ignorant & lazy block of people who will elect whoever promises the most free stuff and both parties enable them...... libs have just mastered the way to advertise and encourage it.


Well said.
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#3054193 - 11/28/12 09:16 PM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: TennesseeRains]
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 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains
In 1888 an upset occured. Grover Cleveland - the incumbent was defeated by Benjamin Harrison. In the last 100 years there’s only one Republican that’s ever defeated a sitting Democratic incumbent president, one.

It was the ONE time we ran a strong conviction conservative, in the face of the pubs saying no, no, no, we need a moderate. We need to win. We need to win.

They always say that. And we always lose. And the one time we didn’t listen to the pub establishment, the Washington insiders, we got Ronald Reagan.




Dale and Tennessee have it right, IMO. Think about what the GOP establishment have offered us over the past 20 years. George "Read My Lips" Bush, Bob Dole, George Jr. (who happens to be the best they've offered which speaks volumes,) John McCain and now Mitt "The Moderate" Romney. They seem to think that if they offer someone who won't offend the very people who won't vote for them anyway, they'll win. And although Bush Jr. won, he barely did.

In the mid 1990's I trusted the Repubs and supported them heavily when they won the House and Senate, running as conservatives. That lasted until George Jr. started getting all nice with the dems, about $10 trillion dollars ago, and before the dems took control of congress in 2006. It is clear to anyone who knows the history that as soon as the Repubs go soft, they get their butts handed to them. Romney and the establishment went soft in this election. Didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings, gotta be politcally correct.

Again, look back at 2010 and who was it that gave the Repubs the House and almost the Senate? TRUE CONSERVATIVES. Now they want to blame us for Romney's loss.

I will never vote for a Republican again, unless they are a fire breathing, bona fide conservatives willing to bar nothing, no rules, street fight the dems. And right now the only ones that can be trusted to do that are the Tea Party Repubs. If it means dems get to run this country into the ground, so be it. Because establishment Repubs don't have what it takes to stop them anyway.

They are now presented with a fight over the "Fiscal Cliff" and once again they are waffling. They are playing into the hands of the dems, and the media.

It is Deja Vu all over again, and the repubs falling for it, again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vnUv7y4U2T0
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#3054268 - 11/28/12 10:05 PM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: Poser]
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There is only 1 thing that will fix the GOP, actually 2. A large pair of COHONAS. When you play not to lose (which is exactly what Romney did after the 1st debate) you usually wind up loseing. They should have stuck with Akin in Mo. but were afraid.They will most likely cave to Obama on the Fiscal Cliff issue.They'll start peeling off 1by 1. I'm done withem till they prove to me they will stand together and fight for what they supposedly believe in.
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#3054431 - 11/29/12 06:00 AM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: citico_tim]
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 Originally Posted By: citico_tim
 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains
In 1888 an upset occured. Grover Cleveland - the incumbent was defeated by Benjamin Harrison. In the last 100 years there’s only one Republican that’s ever defeated a sitting Democratic incumbent president, one.

It was the ONE time we ran a strong conviction conservative, in the face of the pubs saying no, no, no, we need a moderate. We need to win. We need to win.

They always say that. And we always lose. And the one time we didn’t listen to the pub establishment, the Washington insiders, we got Ronald Reagan.




Dale and Tennessee have it right, IMO. Think about what the GOP establishment have offered us over the past 20 years. George "Read My Lips" Bush, Bob Dole, George Jr. (who happens to be the best they've offered which speaks volumes,) John McCain and now Mitt "The Moderate" Romney. They seem to think that if they offer someone who won't offend the very people who won't vote for them anyway, they'll win. And although Bush Jr. won, he barely did.

In the mid 1990's I trusted the Repubs and supported them heavily when they won the House and Senate, running as conservatives. That lasted until George Jr. started getting all nice with the dems, about $10 trillion dollars ago, and before the dems took control of congress in 2006. It is clear to anyone who knows the history that as soon as the Repubs go soft, they get their butts handed to them. Romney and the establishment went soft in this election. Didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings, gotta be politcally correct.

Again, look back at 2010 and who was it that gave the Repubs the House and almost the Senate? TRUE CONSERVATIVES. Now they want to blame us for Romney's loss.

I will never vote for a Republican again, unless they are a fire breathing, bona fide conservatives willing to bar nothing, no rules, street fight the dems. And right now the only ones that can be trusted to do that are the Tea Party Repubs. If it means dems get to run this country into the ground, so be it. Because establishment Repubs don't have what it takes to stop them anyway.

They are now presented with a fight over the "Fiscal Cliff" and once again they are waffling. They are playing into the hands of the dems, and the media.

It is Deja Vu all over again, and the repubs falling for it, again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vnUv7y4U2T0


You got it, its slapping everyone in the face, and we keep trying to come up wth excusses, other than what it is.
George Jr. wouldnt have won if he hadnt of been up against dull, boring, no personality, dead man walking Al Gore, the libs Bob Dole!
McCain would have lost by even more, if it hadnt of been for Palin, and those clueless chumps of the GOP, blamed her, for him losing!THEY ARE CLUELESS and DESTROYING the GOP!
They kept pulling her back in, when they should have turned her lose!
We need a REAL conservative, dont have t be a extream conservative, who wasnt born with a silver spoon, who a real person people can relate too, who knows how to be a leader, who looks and sounds strong and as Citico Tim put it is a " fire breathing, bona fide conservatives willing to bar nothing, no rules, street fight the dems." in your face,tell it like it is, call it what it is, and not back down!

The Tea Party is the answer,but i think they blew it also though when they wouldnt take a stand and back someone ealry on in the primarys and stick with them. They kept wanting to see how it would shake out, till the GOP elite had destroyed everyone one of them. They never did or would take a firm stand and get behind someone, all the while the GOP elite pushed Romney down our throats from the start. The Tea Party should have done the same with one of the others, and never looked back.

Whats wrong with the GOP are the Carl Roves of the GOP who are wrong and and unable to admit thier wrong,or even worse to clueless to know their wrong, yet thier the ones pulling the strings!
They cant and will NEVER get the votes thier trying to get and in doing so, thier turning thier backs on thier base, and turning them off!
We ran the wrong person, thats it in a nut shell, and is the only reason we lost.

We talk about how dumb the lib's are, well there are ALOT of dumb Pub's also, who let the Carl Roves/GOP elite do thier thinking for them, and control them.


Edited by Dale3 (11/29/12 06:15 AM)

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#3054540 - 11/29/12 07:21 AM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: Dale3]
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The establishment pubs are political elites.

Pubs, Dems, doesn't matter. Once they are in office a couple terms they become elites. Sure they bicker over which programs they support but the elites ALL support 1 TYPE of program.....power and money to THEM.

Elites don't honor the rule of law or constitution. They honor power....their power.

Unless the GOP is gutted and filled with constitution supporting people, they are just another big government football team with a different color jersey.
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#3054587 - 11/29/12 07:53 AM Re: Fixing the GOP [Re: Dale3]
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The numbers do not lie. Romney got LESS votes than McCain.

We all know full well that no mater who we get to run that the people that voted for Obama will never vote for anybody we put up so we can write them off.

That leaves what??

The base and the middle voters.

From the counts done so far it looks like the base did NOT all come out and vote. So whose fault is that?? For four years all we talked about was ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!!!! Some of us ever publicly posted that we would rather have had Hillary and I'm one of them, that's how bad we wanted Obama gone.

When it was time to make it count where was everybody????

McCain pulled in more. Was it Palin that that pulled in the extra votes?? If that's true then she had to pull in the CONSERVATIVE VOTES. Now Romney got LESS votes does that mean the CONSERVATIVES STAYED HOME???

How many times have we read on here and other forms about people "holding their noses and voting"?? How many times did we read that people were voting a different way to "send a message"?? If any of this is true then all that talk the last 4 years about "anybody but Obama" was nothing but BS.

Romney was the "wrong" person to put up said the conservatives. Romney was throwing granny off the clff, he caused a woman to die of cancer, he send all the American jobs overseas, he bought up American companys and fired everybody losing American jobs said the liberals. between those two Romney had no chance in hell of winning.

Durning the primaries everybody attacked every single one of the people running. By the time it was over Romney was so far down from the fights that he could never catch up to "blameless and spotless" Obama.

So once again where were all the votes that McCain had, were that many voters dead by then?????? Or did they "send a message by staying home"?????

Oh yea, I've been a dues paying member of the Tea Party since it was first formed and also a dues paying Republican. I have NERVER tried to hide that fact. And I'm NOT a member of the "only ture conservative cult", and neither is MY Senator Rand Paul.
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