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#3055222 - 11/29/12 02:21 PM Re: Age BSK and others [Re: SelphLogging]
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 Originally Posted By: SelphLogging
Those are body characteristics, just as you use body characteristics to age deer by photo.


And they are body characteristics that do not accurately describe age. So much variation exists in those measurements between age-classes, that the measurements for an individual buck are meaningless when it comes to determining his age.
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#3055243 - 11/29/12 02:36 PM Re: Age BSK and others [Re: SelphLogging]
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Bsk, you use the neck all the time when aging deer. You say that when there is no distinction between the neck and chest it shows maturity. This deer doesn't have that huge neck flowing into the chest.

Body characteristics are body characteristics. If I can't use them, then you can't. You have to use them all. You preach on here all the time that deer are like human in their variations of body sizes. And you also use leg length appearance in conjunction with the body depth. Well, that my friend could simply be a short legged deer. I'm not buying it. You say one thing then say something that contradicts.

It's this simple, nobody really knows the age of a deer. Teeth are the closest thing to use when aging a deer. And just 2 weeks ago I mentioned of a deer that weighed 200+lbs field dressed, huge head, deep body, short leg appearance, long roman nose, all the "correct" body characteristics and the teeth aged 3.5.

"Maybe I don't know how to age teeth" I'm sure that is your thoughts exactly. Well, considering I age them standing by a wildlife biologist himself, and learned from him, and we've aged hundreds, I think I might have it. It's not rocket science. "Normal" people can do it, I promise! Oh, I did take genetics, zoology, and mammalogy in college. Learned tons, just didn't finish on that path.

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#3055315 - 11/29/12 03:26 PM Re: Age BSK and others [Re: SelphLogging]
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 Originally Posted By: SelphLogging
Bsk, you use the neck all the time when aging deer. You say that when there is no distinction between the neck and chest it shows maturity. This deer doesn't have that huge neck flowing into the chest.


I agree. His neck suggests 3 1/2. However, other body characteristics, one in particular, that has been shown statistically to be a good judgement of age, suggest 4 1/2, so I'm going with 4 1/2 until I see his teeth. But hey, field-judging buck age is far more "art" than science, and I only get 4 out of 5 "right" (and by "right," I mean my age estimate matches the toothwear).


My comments about characteristics that aren't good indicators of age was referring to your comments:

"The deer had a very narrow head, short eye to nose, 3.25" bases. Small pedicles. I have pics of this deer that stick 2" out on both sides of ears but he's only 16.5" wide inside."

Those are not good body characteristics to judge age from.
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