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#3052626 - 11/28/12 01:27 AM shoulder vs liver/gut shots
catman529
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which is more common - accidental shoulder blade shot or liver/gut shot? I have yet to hit one in the shoulder blade but I have it more than one in the liver. thankfully it is a deadly shot but they don't always die very quickly and obviously not a shot I intentionally pick. But it makes me wonder now, am I shy of hitting the shoulder accidentally so I end up going farther back than I should? I know that in a couple instances my mistake was the deer was still moving but even on a still deer I have hit 2 that were standing still in the liver or lung/liver and they died but I wondered why I pulled the shot. Perhaps just user error by chance has hit them far back rather than in the shoulder. But I was wondering if anyone else has noticed the same thing or if it's different for everyone. Are shoulder blade shots, or liver shots more common among bad shot placement?
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#3052683 - 11/28/12 06:07 AM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: catman529]
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Gut shot. Hands down.
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#3052852 - 11/28/12 07:14 AM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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While it certainly can/will happen to anyone, further back shots are certainly more common amoung those that are newer to the craft than further forward shots—with gut shots by far being the most common as richmanbbq stated. Amoung newer archers, subliminal thinking is what causes aiming too far back and practicing certain ways, and more often, can help train that out.
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#3053518 - 11/28/12 02:52 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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Another tendency is to want to see your arrow impact the deer thus you drop your arm or move your bow to see the shot rather than concentrate on keeping the sight on the target until impact.
(Not keeping your form.)
I think that is one of the most common mistakes.

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#3053524 - 11/28/12 02:55 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: StalkingWolf]
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Which one is better?
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#3053531 - 11/28/12 02:58 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: UTGrad]
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I would pick the liver over the shoulder.
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#3053698 - 11/28/12 05:02 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Which one is better?


Alot depends on that. Personally, I prefer the shoulder to the liver, for a couple of reasons—if I miss the shoulder, I stand a better chance of the animal having a quicker death and a shorter tracking job for me. Also, with my setup (energy and fixed broadhead) I'm confident about the penetration through the shoulder. If I aim for the liver, the animal will not die as quick of death and my tracking job will not be as easy...not to mention what happens if I miss the liver and get a gut shot—we all know the mess and probabilities if that happens. All that being said, I aim for neither—I aim for the pocket right behind the shoulder—if I miss, I still have a quick, dead deer on my hands.
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#3053739 - 11/28/12 05:38 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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I have hit deer in the high shoulder a couple of times over the years and lost them , only to see them alive and well later on .
I don't care what you are shooting for KE or broadhead , if you hit a Mature buck in the thickest part of the shoulder , you will get little penetration . I have killed does shot in the lower portion of the shoulder with good penetration into the lungs , but mature bucks have a heavier bone structure .
I have recovered gut shot and live hit deer by letting them lay overnight , or several hours before taking up the trail . Most gut shots are fatal , many shoulder hits are not .
Neither shot is desirable and all efforts should be made to take out both lungs instead of a shoulder or gut shot . However , bad shots happen .
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#3053935 - 11/28/12 07:24 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: Radar]
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I would neither aim for the shoulder or gut obviously so maybe you misunderstood me TNDeer Guy.

I agree with Radar that a gut shot would be better than a direct shoulder hit IMO.

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#3053960 - 11/28/12 07:38 PM Re: shoulder vs liver/gut shots [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
I would neither aim for the shoulder or gut obviously so maybe you misunderstood me TNDeer Guy.

I agree with Radar that a gut shot would be better than a direct shoulder hit IMO.


Nope, didn't misunderstand at all—I answered what you asked...I never implied you aim for either. \:\)

I completely agree that both shots are neither optimal or desirable—that's why most of us don't aim for them, but if I miss my desired target (heart/lungs), I personally would rather hit the shoulder.
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