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#548878 - 01/03/08 06:23 PM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: BSK]
Tennessee Todd
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#549140 - 01/03/08 08:22 PM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
A handful of corn infected with aflatixon could kill a number of animals. It only takes aflatoxin contamination of 20 parts per BILLION to kill a full-grown turkey.

In the winter, aflatoxin is a very low-risk problem, as the cold weather kills the mold. But in summer, corn can become dangerous for wildlife in a matter of a few days of exposure to hot, humid or rainy weather.

What study shows this? of all the studies i have found 800 ppb was the lowest quantity of alfatoxin which affected deer, turkeys were around the same number.
also bush-hogged corn is illegal to hunt over
IMO alfatoxin is propaganda to keep the TWRA away from the very difficult issue of ethics.
I also find it funny that everyone wants to harp on alfatoxin in
the bagged corn baiting debate when alfatoxin is more prevalent in standing corn than in washed bagged corn.
And finally, when supplemental feeding is done right, corn is rarely used, (most opt for soybean meal, cottonseed meal or protein pelletts), piles on the ground are never used (I prefer a trough type feeder which i can protect from the weather) also I have the ability to clean the feeder and if needed remove all feed.
I also believe that suplemental feeding should be incorporated into a total habitat management program which would include food plots and selective harvest.
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#549491 - 01/04/08 07:41 AM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: hard county]
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 Originally Posted By: hard county
 Originally Posted By: BSK
A handful of corn infected with aflatixon could kill a number of animals. It only takes aflatoxin contamination of 20 parts per BILLION to kill a full-grown turkey.

In the winter, aflatoxin is a very low-risk problem, as the cold weather kills the mold. But in summer, corn can become dangerous for wildlife in a matter of a few days of exposure to hot, humid or rainy weather.

What study shows this? of all the studies i have found 800 ppb was the lowest quantity of alfatoxin which affected deer, turkeys were around the same number.


You must be reading the wrong stuff. Alfatoxin is far more deadly to birds than mammals. It can be lethal to turkey at 20 PPB.
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#549502 - 01/04/08 07:48 AM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: hard county]
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 Originally Posted By: hard county

also bush-hogged corn is illegal to hunt over


According to what TWRA personnel have posted on this site, that is not correct.



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IMO alfatoxin is propaganda to keep the TWRA away from the very difficult issue of ethics.


I always find that those who fight the scientific truths about aflatixon are usually those with a vested interest. They want to bait and supplementally feed. They're looking for the "quick fix" answer to bigger bucks. I'm not the TWRA, but I strongly advise against both practices, baiting and supplemental feeding. They both are proven problems. I would love to see the TWRA outlaw the feeding of wildlife outside of a 100 yards from a occupied home. That would allow backyard bird feeding but not the trough feeding of wildlife.



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I also find it funny that everyone wants to harp on alfatoxin in
the bagged corn baiting debate when alfatoxin is more prevalent in standing corn than in washed bagged corn.


That can be true, but the local Coops in my area don't sell bagged, washed whole-kernal corn. It is simply whatever the local farmers sell to them. And once you put corn out in the environment, mold growth can be immediate.



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I also believe that suplemental feeding should be incorporated into a total habitat management program which would include food plots and selective harvest.


I STRONGLY disagree with that.
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#549514 - 01/04/08 07:55 AM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: BSK]
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BSK - I have completely read the article you posted and it has opened my eyes to the truth about feeding. There is a lot of it that I did not know and I thank you for the insight and knowledge. I am very interested in QDM practices and would love to have any information you have on how I can start. Thanks!!
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#549531 - 01/04/08 08:08 AM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: WhitetailSlayer]
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WhitetailSlayer,

Check out the Quality Deer Management Association's (QDMA's) website:

http://www.qdma.com/

The QDMA was started and is still run by wildlife biologists as a way of educating hunters about deer management.
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#549631 - 01/04/08 09:14 AM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: BSK]
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I heard somewhere that once corn is broken down, like cracked corn for instance,that it's less likely to be harmful. Anyone heard this?
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#550721 - 01/05/08 07:58 AM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: CopperHead77]
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i dont know about the toxins in cracked corn, but i do know the nutrienal level in the corn starts to decrease as soon as the corn is cracked.
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#551145 - 01/05/08 06:56 PM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: gbotts]
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 Originally Posted By: gbotts
i dont know about the toxins in cracked corn, but i do know the nutrienal level in the corn starts to decrease as soon as the corn is cracked.


So its better for the deer to swallow it whole? \:\)

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#552047 - 01/06/08 06:00 PM Re: Baiting vs. Food Plots [Re: holstonangler]
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