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#3049356 - 11/26/12 09:16 AM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: Bottom Hunter]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
I too use the term harvest, but not all the time...I think that people know what you mean when you say harvest or kill.

I'm wondering what gives any hunter the right to tell another hunter what terminology to use...

There are lots of terminology out there, in regards to deer....such as buck, doe, spike, button, yearling, nanner head, pig, wallhanger, booner, slick head, pope and young, brute,and so forth.
And as for KILL, here's a few...Dropped the Hammer, Put the smack down on him, dropped one, shot, arrowed, laid one down, etc and so forth, you get my point.

What does it matter what someone calls an animal or the act of taking it's life?

When you pick fruit or vegetables, do you not kill them? Are they not alive at time of harvest? Did they not eat , breathe and grow just prior to you harvesting them? then why not call it killing a field of corn or cotton....?

The point is simply......I have read this exact thread every year, sometimes more than once a year, since I joined here and I still have no understanding as to why people care that a hunter calls it harvesting.....did someone demand that YOU call it harvesting? I'm thinking..NO.

Once again, the overreacting of the masses leads to unnecessary anger and frustration.

I plan to harvest a nice buck this week. Anyone else plan to kill one? See, that wasn't too hard to swallow, now was it??

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I don't say "harvest" for the same reason I don't use other politically correct terms like "African American". Come on, I didn't harvest my deer, I did nothing to grow them. They made a wrong move and I killed them. As for the other terminology such as smack down, dirt nap etc I think that's mostly born from hunting shows which usually don't portray hunting very well. If you see me use some stupid term like that its probably because of bowriters post earlier this season and I like to joke around.

You probably won't hear me telling people what terminology to use and not use, but that doesn't mean certain terms like "harvest a deer" aren't politically correct and actually incorrect.

It sounds like in general you are leaning on the side of political correctness which I really don't understand why.
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#3049385 - 11/26/12 09:37 AM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: W.Seay]
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Wow, this guy is a real winner. Nothing promotes the hunting industry better than a picture of a guy holding a knife and saying "Killing Deer is Killing."

This guy lost all credibility with me when I read this: "He dislikes the supermarket meat department shrinkwrap, foam trays, and stainless steel surfaces which hide the reality of cleavers, meathooks, and blood-boots." Really? Supermarkets aren't trying to hide this reality nor are consumers ignorant as to what goes on "behind the scenes." In fact, the use of shrinkwrap, foam trays, meathooks, and blood-boots is closer to the definition of "harvesting" than it is to "killing."

I use the term "harvest" because I feel it is a little more respectful to the deer. Sorta like not having their tongue hanging out of their mouth in pictures. However, I still use both terms interchangeably and have no problem with those who choose to use the term "killing" exclusively. This whole topic is a bit ridiculous.

It appears there will be a follow-up article to this one called, "Deer are Deer, Not Swamp Donkeys."
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#3049397 - 11/26/12 09:47 AM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: Swamphunter]
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I agree. I always say I shot or killed an animal. I am not ashamed of doing so either.
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#3049412 - 11/26/12 09:56 AM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: String Music]
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I hunt and Kill deer. That's just me. When I think of the word harvest and deer I tend to think of watching a TV show with a hunter and a guide sitting in a box blind out in Texas or something and the guide telling the hunter which deer he can and can not shoot. And if you shoot this one its going to be X dollars or this one its going to be this amount. And there is nothing wrong with that if that's what you want to do. But at that point the deer is grown and protected until it gets to be the desired product. And yes at that point I would think you would call that deer being harvested.
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#3049457 - 11/26/12 10:31 AM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: WRbowhunter]
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I look at it as we kill deer, the act of taking the life.

The farmer/butcher kills his cow, the act taking the life.

TWRA calls it harvest for lack of better words, the intentional killing of deer using the hunters to control population.

If anyone hears me say I just harvested a deer please harvest me as I have goon off the PC deep end. \:\)

Or some of you more fortunate may look at the word slaughter as you get to kill mass deer while us poor folk just get to kill one or two.


Edited by waynesworld (11/26/12 10:32 AM)

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#3049711 - 11/26/12 01:12 PM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter


What does it matter what someone calls an animal or the act of taking it's life?


enjoy


Again, it has to do with the way in which we think about hunting. A young hunters grows up hearing nothing but euphemisms ("harvest") and slang ("meat missile", "Dirt Nap", "Lung butter" etc) with regards to the discussion of death and the act of killing. In fact, a young hunter today may never hear much less use the term "kill" to describe anything to do with the act of hunting. Are you telling me that this language does not condition a hunter's thought process over time?

One other thing to add. If we can all agree that the use of this term originates from TV shows, I would bet my bottom dollar that the use of this term was heavily pushed by the producers and sponsors of the shows. That being the case, it is clearly an agenda. Its not about "throwing" it someone's face, its just that every time someone publicly uses the word "harvest", the word "killing" begins to take on a different meaning in relation. At some point further down the road, this will make hunting easier to criticize: "Hunters know what they are doing is wrong, they can't even use the word "kill" in the same sentence as "hunt." I'm not telling anyone what to do, what words to use, or even criticizing anyone, just pointing out that hiding behind language is a slippery slope and if the word "harvest" is so benign, ask the question why are many so quick to defend its exclusive use as a replacement for "killing"?


"Kill" is simply a term used to describe the ending of a one's existence. Although it is used to describe the ending of an animal's or person's life, the term alone does not convey a gruesome or heinous nature associated with how one's life ended. Furthermore, it can be used in peaceful contexts such as killing time, killing the other team, killing the clock, etc.

Howeverm there are other terms that imply the difficulty and level of brutality involved in ending one's life such as: slaughter, assassinate, crucify, execute, annihilate, etc.

In other words, removing the word "kill" as a description of ending a deer's life does not single-handily remove the nature and extent of the act.

For example, when kids squash a bug, they often brag about "killing" the bug. The term "kill" as it is used here hardly describes the brutal nature in which he ended the bug's life (crushed bug causing its eyes, brains, and guts to be smeared on a window, his hand, etc). If you tell a kid to "squash" one bug and "kill" another bug the kid will likely use the same method with the same outcome to end its life. In other words, kids don't treat the request to "kill" the bug any differently than they do the request to "squash" it.

My point is that simply using the term "kill" does not in itself signify the heightened responsibility and brutality associated with intentionally ending a deer's life. To the contrary, kids might associate "killing" a deer with their experience of "killing" bugs.
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#3049721 - 11/26/12 01:17 PM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: String Music]
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Whether you use the term "harvest" or "kill," every hunter knows the the words describe the same outcome. Both can be used in different contexts to mean different things.
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#3049741 - 11/26/12 01:27 PM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: String Music]
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 Originally Posted By: String Music

"Kill" is simply a term used to describe the ending of a one's existence. Although it is used to describe the ending of an animal's or person's life, the term alone does not convey a gruesome or heinous nature associated with how one's life ended. Furthermore, it can be used in peaceful contexts such as killing time, killing the other team, killing the clock, etc.

Howeverm there are other terms that imply the difficulty and level of brutality involved in ending one's life such as: slaughter, assassinate, crucify, execute, annihilate, etc.

In other words, removing the word "kill" as a description of ending a deer's life does not single-handily remove the nature and extent of the act.

For example, when kids squash a bug, they often brag about "killing" the bug. The term "kill" as it is used here hardly describes the brutal nature in which he ended the bug's life (crushed bug causing its eyes, brains, and guts to be smeared on a window, his hand, etc). If you tell a kid to "squash" one bug and "kill" another bug the kid will likely use the same method with the same outcome to end its life. In other words, kids don't treat the request to "kill" the bug any differently than they do the request to "squash" it.

My point is that simply using the term "kill" does not in itself signify the heightened responsibility and brutality associated with intentionally ending a deer's life. To the contrary, kids might associate "killing" a deer with their experience of "killing" bugs.

Game. Set. Match. Very well put.

Poser - the biggest problem I have with this thread and some similar threads you have posted as of late is that you are coming across much like the trophy-hunters you incessantly bash. Whether it be your dislike of "lazy" hunters' style, their choice to take the deer to a processor, or their practicing of QDM (or lack thereof), you come across as full of yourself. If we all take this attitude towards our fellow hunters and the non-hunters, we won't be making friends or improving the future of hunting.

And on top of that - I think that Bowriter has already laid claim to this topic. If my memory serves me, he even wrote an article on "kill vs. harvest".


Edited by Outdoor Enthusiast (11/26/12 01:29 PM)

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#3049864 - 11/26/12 02:46 PM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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I can Kill a man but I do not Harvest him. To me Harvest infers a food source plant or aminal. You kill weeds in the garden but pick the tomato crop. I killed a skunk with my car, but I harvested a deer. It adds detail to why the animal was killed. Its just like fishing. Nobody "Kills fish" but they do "clean, Filet, or cube" fish. Culling is the same its killing for a specific purpose, population control. I don't think its softening anything I see it as adding detail. Makes sense to me, just my .02 cents.
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#3049881 - 11/26/12 02:55 PM Re: Its killing not "Harvesting" [Re: Poser]
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Agree. And all of these says like "I smoked him" drive me crazy. Another way to get around saying good shot, that's a dead deer. I kill deer. I also am not ashamed of it. I will drive with my tailgate down, or have the deer where you can see the rack or hooves out the bed of my truck. Nothing we do will ever make anti-hunters happy so why waste energy trying to please them. Yes I'm sure they vote, what makes you think they would vote for your right to hunt regardless?
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