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#3047336 - 11/24/12 07:14 PM Lost one.
backwoods7
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I shot a buck this morning at about 70yards. He was slightly quartering towards me. At the shot he droped but when i walked up he jumped up and took off, i fired missing him this time. No blood at the scene of the shot about 25yards away i found two very small drops of blood. I trailed him for a long ways following a drop here and there snd an ocasional spray. Sometimes itd be 20-30yards before i found the next spot. I eventually ended up jumping him up but couldnt see good and he gotaway. Where he had bedded down there was a puddle of bright red blood and following where he went was a fairly good bloodtrail for 20yards or so then it dried up.

I was useing a 7mm/08 shooting 140gr balistic tips. Iveherd horror stories on these bullets before, for the guys who have had trouble with btips whatd the trail look like? Any ideas what happend?

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#3047346 - 11/24/12 07:18 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: backwoods7]
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dang man. good luck finding him
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#3047347 - 11/24/12 07:18 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: backwoods7]
Eric Kilby
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probably not the bullet more the angle .. how long did you wait before you went to find him?
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#3047357 - 11/24/12 07:22 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Eric Kilby]
backwoods7
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After he droped in his tracks i didnt wait long that time, but it was a good hour before i jumped him the last time
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#3047375 - 11/24/12 07:30 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: backwoods7]
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Sound like you hit him pretty hard if he dropped.Good luck!
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#3047383 - 11/24/12 07:33 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: backwoods7]
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It's not the bullet you didn't give him enough time. Once you saw him get up needed to back off. And a quartering to you is a tough shot gotta place it perfect. I don't shoot ballistic tip any more but dad does and we have never had any trouble at all.
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#3047388 - 11/24/12 07:37 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: deerhunter10]
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Yep. You should have scoped him and seen if he was still breathing. Then backed out. When they jump and run! You have got to back out! That is definite doubt so back out.
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#3047409 - 11/24/12 07:56 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Big J]
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 Originally Posted By: Big J
Yep. You should have scoped him and seen if he was still breathing. Then backed out. When they jump and run! You have got to back out! That is definite doubt so back out.
If you can scope him and he is still breathing let him have another!!
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#3047414 - 11/24/12 07:59 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: timberjack86]
krazykarl_13
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i shot one today with a 7mm mag with 140 grain nosler balistic tip and it fell in it's tracks
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#3047589 - 11/24/12 09:42 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: krazykarl_13]
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You have a dead deer sir. Go back in morning and start from last drop of blood . If water source is near start making circles you will find him. If you have access to a dog take it with you. I had same thing happen some years back . Found the stud next morning 75 yards from last spot
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#3047591 - 11/24/12 09:45 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: tylerc56]
tylerc56
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I shoot 7mm08 too . I was using federal ballistic tips when this happened . Switched to core locks never had issue again .
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#3047598 - 11/24/12 09:51 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: tylerc56]
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Idk why people are bashing ballistic tips they are great bullets it's all about shot placement. I do not shoot them any more i shoot the hornady sst and they are out standing. If you make a bad shot it does not matter what bullet you use.
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#3047610 - 11/24/12 10:07 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: tylerc56]
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Its not the arrow, its the indian.
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#3047618 - 11/24/12 10:20 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: BowGirl]
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I have shot no telling how many deer with a 7mm/08 and have not lost any. I would guess u made a non lethal hit. I dont use ballistic - not my favorite bullet.
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#3047641 - 11/24/12 10:48 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: muddyboots]
backwoods7
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Im tryin to not bash the bullets. Ive killed the majority of my deer with balistictips but thats from my 30-06 and dads 308. This was the first deer ive shot with the 7-08 so i didnt know if maby the smaller bullet may be more fragile compared to the 165gr 30 cal im use to. I wanna go back tomorro but its a 2hour drive there and im soposed to spend time with the wife and kids. We may have to tale a sunday drive and look for buzzards. I had my dad and a buddy with me while tracking him and they couldnt believe that it gotaway with the amount of blood lost when we jumped him the 2nd time. Dad acually saw the deer when we jumped him that last time and said all he could see was its a** end but it looked to be pushin the fromt of its body.
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#3047642 - 11/24/12 10:49 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: muddyboots]
wwa7
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i shoot nosler custom 130gr nosler accubonds... from 15yds to 350yds.... cant beatem...
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#3047643 - 11/24/12 10:49 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: wwa7]
wwa7
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140gr*
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#3047650 - 11/24/12 10:59 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: wwa7]
backwoods7
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I just bought the gun about a month ago and bought these to use this year. There the 140gr federal premium balistictips. I shot 12 at the range and it loved em do i figured itd work. I plan on reloading for it as soon as i can find a set of dies. I will have to try accubonds when i start. Ive herd alot of good stuff about em. I loaned my 30-06 out to a friend for his first hunt or i think id be celebrateing a kill right now. I trust a 30cal alot more hunting that area. I shot him in a swamp and the area he ran to was clearcut last year and has alot of dead tree tops down that didnt help with the tracking.
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#3048146 - 11/25/12 01:18 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: backwoods7]
stik
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 Originally Posted By: backwoods7
I just bought the gun about a month ago and bought these to use this year. There the 140gr federal premium balistictips. I shot 12 at the range and it loved em do i figured itd work. I plan on reloading for it as soon as i can find a set of dies. I will have to try accubonds when i start. Ive herd alot of good stuff about em. I loaned my 30-06 out to a friend for his first hunt or i think id be celebrateing a kill right now. I trust a 30cal alot more hunting that area. I shot him in a swamp and the area he ran to was clearcut last year and has alot of dead tree tops down that didnt help with the tracking.


if you hit him in the same place with that 30-06 that you did with the 7mm08, the results would have been the same.
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#3048202 - 11/25/12 02:12 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: stik]
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One of these days people will realize that ballistic tips are not a good choice unless you have a perfect broadside shots every time. Ballistic tips and shoulder bones dont mix
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#3048223 - 11/25/12 02:24 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Rockhound]
deerhunter10
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One of these days people will not blame the bullet for bad shot placement. I know people mess up with shots but don't blame the bullet blame yourself.
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#3048232 - 11/25/12 02:32 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: backwoods7]
greygoose
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bad shot and bad patience
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#3048269 - 11/25/12 03:03 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: greygoose]
utfan1
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thus the problem with ballistic tip , usually no blood trail if the deer runs .
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#3048290 - 11/25/12 03:29 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
One of these days people will not blame the bullet for bad shot placement. I know people mess up with shots but don't blame the bullet blame yourself.


sometimes it IS the bullets fault.
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#3048291 - 11/25/12 03:30 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: utfan1]
JGreg
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Ok just my 2cents, if there is a large hole in a deers side there will be blood. I have shot deer with ballistic tips, lead tips, and solid lead bullets, put one of any of them through the shoulder and its over. I know its the brooms fault the floor gets dirty.
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#3048297 - 11/25/12 03:38 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: JGreg]
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Go figure....i shot one with a 22-250 at 11:00am and she hit the ground DRT. I've lost deer with a 7mag before. Sorry to hear you lost yours...it happens to everybody!
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#3048301 - 11/25/12 03:40 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Elite Mafia]
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Hope you find it!!
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#3048303 - 11/25/12 03:41 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Elite Mafia]
deerhunter10
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I don't see how you can blame h bullet with the RIGHT shot placement there is no excuse. The bullet preformed right he found blood he knocked the deer down obviously it just wasn't a good fatal hit. I hate it for the dude we have all been there but it's not the bullet it's the placement of the bullet.
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#3048304 - 11/25/12 03:41 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Rockhound]
Shooter77
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I shot SP rounds for years out of my 25-06, then switched the Federal Prem Ballistic tips. I killed 8 deer over 6 years but I lost 7 deer using Ballistic tips over a 5 year period. Some were broadside or quartering one way or another from 30-220 yards. one that sticks out the most to me, was a doe that was broadside to slight quartering away in a open field @ 119 yards. I had a perfect rest on a ladder stand. at the shot she jumped straight up and muled kicked then ran with her head down about 70 yards into the woods. went to last place i seen her and seen red blood every where, i followed it over 150 yards thru the woods till she crossed over a field with water in it and I couldn't track any more. I looked for another 2 hrs where she was going from the last blood and no luck. I switched to Win Prem 110gr Accubonds and have not had a problem. I've killed 19 deer and i've only lost one and it was during low light and I thought I had a clear lane but after the shot I seen the limb that I hit first before just nicking the deer. All others never run more than 40 yards.
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#3048309 - 11/25/12 03:47 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Shooter77]
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If you think the ballistic tips are the problem then i highly recommend hornady sst's they are outstanding! But like a said we have never had any problem with ballistic tips. The only deer I've ever lost was with core lock and it was diffenetly my fault bad shot placement.
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#3048310 - 11/25/12 03:48 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Shooter77]
utfan1
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keep using b.t. and you will lose one from what seems to be the perfect shot. ribs are bones too and if this bullet hits one on impact you will probably not have a blood trail to follow.
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#3048347 - 11/25/12 04:39 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: utfan1]
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I shoot 100gr Nosler BT out of my .257 WBY MAG and have never had a problem.Shot 9 deer with it and have watched em all fall.3 in their tracks and 6 within 30 yds. All passthroughs from 15 to 250 yds. Shoot Hornaday SST out of everything else. I have lost 2 deer with a rifle that I can think of and both of them was shot with a 7MM RUM with Nosler Partitions. I don't blame either one on the bullet or the gun. It was MY fault. Bad shot placement and bad angles.
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#3049492 - 11/26/12 10:57 AM Re: Lost one. [Re: Benelli 4 Life]
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Federal fusion 140 grain is my choice out of my 7mm-08. no trackin needed...IT happen to all of us.. Shake it off and press on...
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#3049818 - 11/26/12 02:06 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: BZ911]
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Ballistic tip bullets were not designed for penetration, especially on deer sized game. There are much better choices in bullets for deer! Hate you lost one regardless.
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#3049842 - 11/26/12 02:30 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Rockhound]
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Ballistic Tips are a relatively soft bullet for thin skinned game like deer. They may or may not fail to penetrate when fired from some big fire breathing magnum or if you are using a light-for-caliber BTip that was intended as a varmint bullet, but a moderate velocity cartridge like the 7mm-08 should have no such problems using BTips. I think you can stop worrying about the bullet or cartridge. The 7mm-08 is a great deer cartridge and because of it's moderate velocity, any standard copper jacket/lead core bullet will work on deer.

I used my 1st BTip in a 270 in a 130gr weight on a buck back in 1992. It was hit broadside about 100yds away and I was pleasantly surprised to not see the crater wound I had been warned of but instead a nice 1 inch exit wound on the opposite side.

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#3049857 - 11/26/12 02:40 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: Hunter 257W]
BlountArrow
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Sounds like your barrel is maybe 2 inches too short, it also sounds like maybe you were using a bolt action to lose a deer like that. What - isn't that just as ridiculous as to blame ballistic tipped bullets??? I don't personally choose to shoot that type of bullet, but come on don't tell me that is why he lost his deer.
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#3051649 - 11/27/12 01:25 PM Re: Lost one. [Re: BlountArrow]
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There is a reason Nosler came out with the Accubond B-tip bullets. They were having loads of issues with B-tips on deer size and bigger animals. B-tips were orginanly designed for varmint hunting. I will say, every deer I killed with them had huge exit wounds. The accubond is designed to stay together.

From Nosler's website, notice the last line.

High Performance Bonded-Core Bullets

Released in 2001, Nosler’s AccuBond® High Performance Bonded Core Bullets™ deliver expansion and penetration with outstanding weight retention at all normal hunting velocities and ranges. The tapered, highly concentric bullet jacket is constructed from gilding metal that produces minimal fouling compared to most bonded core bullets that use pure copper jackets. The jacket is bonded to a lead alloy core that is engineered for balanced expansion. Nosler’s proprietary bonding process eliminates all possibility of component separation resulting in 60-70% weight retention.


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