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#3041989 - 11/20/12 10:59 AM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
Just from my experience thus far I'd have to say the rut still hasn't happened in and around the Hardeman/Fayette County line. One thing that points towards this is the number of fresh scrapes that are still appearing daily. Once "it" starts all scraping activity will cease. The bucks are on their feet and much more visible but with the possible exception of only a handful of does entering estrous earlier than their coherts most aren't ready yet. The bucks I've seen (including a few mature animals) have been checking the does out even to include a few uneventful chases but both end up going their seperate ways. Also the does are still with their fawns.

The bucks are beginning to get killable more so than once the rut actually starts although you can't beat the dramatic hunts where the crashing and grunting of 1/2 dozen bucks hot on the heels of a doe happens to come right by your stand.


Mike,

This year, when never experienced the full "dead scrape" period so common to peak breeding. Peak breeding is usually Nov. 12-19 in my area, but this year, we saw some scrape-working going on throughout that period. In fact, peak breeding appeared to be about two days early this year. Scraping fell off about Nov. 10, and was really getting cranked up again around the opening of gun (Nov. 17), but we saw some scraping throughout the period.
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#3041997 - 11/20/12 11:04 AM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: BSK]
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Typically how long will the first cruising/seeking period last until lockdown?
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#3042005 - 11/20/12 11:08 AM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: log72]
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 Originally Posted By: log72
Typically how long will the first cruising/seeking period last until lockdown?


10 days to two weeks.
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#3042043 - 11/20/12 11:42 AM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: BSK]
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At that point bucks focus more on food sources? Then in another 3-4 wks start the rut phase over again? Is that correct?
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#3042144 - 11/20/12 12:58 PM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: log72]
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 Originally Posted By: log72
At that point bucks focus more on food sources? Then in another 3-4 wks start the rut phase over again? Is that correct?


No, during the cruising/seeking phase bucks are searching for the first receptive does. Actual breeding generally explodes very quickly from few does being bred to more than 50% of does being bred in the two weeks of peak breeding. So you have the seeking/cruising phase as bucks are worked up about the rut but does aren't in heat yet, and bucks are on their feet constantly moving from doe group to doe group looking for that first receptive doe. Then breeding explodes into peak breeding for about two weeks, and hunters experience "lockdown," when most older bucks are constantly with receptive does (although some brief seeking will always be experienced during peak breeding as bucks leave one doe going out of estrus and seek their next doe). Right after peak breeding, hunters often see maximized chasing, as 25-40% of does are bred during the following two weeks. Although a fair number of does are still being bred, competition between bucks is higher than during peak breeding, hence more chasing/competing is required to gain access to receptive does. In fact, many hunters think this phase is the "peak of the rut" because of all the chasing, but peak breeding has actually already occured. Following that peak chasing phase, as the rut winds down, a second but much weaker phase of seeking/cruising again occurs as bucks seek the last receptive does before the rut is over. After that, you have post-rut conditions, where bucks move little after being physically run down during the rut, and most of that movement involves feeding to rebuild lost body resources during the rut.

In a perfect situation you have something like this:

Two weeks: cruising/seeking
Two weeks: peak breeding and lockdown
Two weeks: peak visible chasing
One week: secondary cruising/chasing
Rest of the season: post-rut
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#3042149 - 11/20/12 01:03 PM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: log72]
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I think we are having more of a trickle rut in my area(Henry Co). Scrapes will go dead 2 or 3 days and then a new one will show up within 10 yards of the last one that still hasn't been checked....or maybe they are all using only the new one. One day they are chasing, another day they pay no attention, and another day they are locked down. Just during the last week I have been seeing the signpost rubs being hit. Trying not to worry about it and just hunt, but it's a little baffling.
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#3042169 - 11/20/12 01:15 PM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: Bullfrog]
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 Originally Posted By: Bullfrog
I think we are having more of a trickle rut in my area(Henry Co). Scrapes will go dead 2 or 3 days and then a new one will show up within 10 yards of the last one that still hasn't been checked....or maybe they are all using only the new one. One day they are chasing, another day they pay no attention, and another day they are locked down. Just during the last week I have been seeing the signpost rubs being hit. Trying not to worry about it and just hunt, but it's a little baffling.


Just remember that through all these phases, not all bucks are doing the same thing every day. What you need to look for is what the majority of older bucks are doing. Ignore the behavior of yearling bucks. They are too young and inexperienced to know how to act! ;\) Honestly, yearling bucks will chase does for 4 straight months, with little benefit to themselves. Older bucks have learned to minimize their physical efforts by only chasing when there is some benefit to be acheived.
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#3042216 - 11/20/12 01:36 PM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: Tomahawk]
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so far this is the worst year i have had in lincoln county on my farm. very few rubs or scapes. dad.bro.nephew and myself just spent 4 hard days of hunting . saw no chasing and only two bucks ,spike and 5 point . maybe its just my place but it really sucks and as of yet not one trail cam pic of a decent buck either !
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#3042232 - 11/20/12 01:46 PM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: Bullfrog
I think we are having more of a trickle rut in my area(Henry Co). Scrapes will go dead 2 or 3 days and then a new one will show up within 10 yards of the last one that still hasn't been checked....or maybe they are all using only the new one. One day they are chasing, another day they pay no attention, and another day they are locked down. Just during the last week I have been seeing the signpost rubs being hit. Trying not to worry about it and just hunt, but it's a little baffling.


Just remember that through all these phases, not all bucks are doing the same thing every day. What you need to look for is what the majority of older bucks are doing. Ignore the behavior of yearling bucks. They are too young and inexperienced to know how to act! ;\) Honestly, yearling bucks will chase does for 4 straight months, with little benefit to themselves. Older bucks have learned to minimize their physical efforts by only chasing when there is some benefit to be acheived.


Right...Old Bull/Young Bull philosophy..lol

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#3042276 - 11/20/12 02:23 PM Re: Late rut? Or invisible rut? [Re: Bullfrog]
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Well BSK you breathe new hope into my hunting outlook! Don't reckon I was aware of that 2 wk peak visible chasing period.
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