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#3040105 - 11/19/12 09:43 AM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: m411b]
scn
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 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
After a warning, dog gets shot. That dog may decide to chase a kid. Then what? I guess it's just instinct. Or maybe every hunter in tn that has dogs in their woods should go to a wma or the mountains with jarhead, cause its not the dogs fault if they bite somebody or chase deer. To hell with the leash law huh?


WOW! I guess I shouldn't let kids rabbit hunt with us then. My big bad mean beagles might chase one of them next.



If the "Beagles" are on YOUR property, then you shouldn't have a problem. But if the "Beagles" are on someone elses property, without permission from that landowner, then YOU are breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what type of dog it is. The law is the law, and you have no consideration for other landowners around you.


Please link me the law that they are violating if hunting dogs stray off of somebody's property so I can make note of it and be better educated.

I don't think you are correct, so I will let you better educate me.


Edited by scn (11/19/12 09:58 AM)
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#3040156 - 11/19/12 10:28 AM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: scn]
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I don't want someones dog on my property anytime of year. But it really doesn't have a chance if I'm in my stand with a weapon. People have no reaspect for what is not theirs. Or it maybe that alot of people think they are entitled. Just look at our country!
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#3040364 - 11/19/12 11:58 AM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
After a warning, dog gets shot. That dog may decide to chase a kid. Then what? I guess it's just instinct. Or maybe every hunter in tn that has dogs in their woods should go to a wma or the mountains with jarhead, cause its not the dogs fault if they bite somebody or chase deer. To hell with the leash law huh?


WOW! I guess I shouldn't let kids rabbit hunt with us then. My big bad mean beagles might chase one of them next.



If the "Beagles" are on YOUR property, then you shouldn't have a problem. But if the "Beagles" are on someone elses property, without permission from that landowner, then YOU are breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what type of dog it is. The law is the law, and you have no consideration for other landowners around you.


Please link me the law that they are violating if hunting dogs stray off of somebody's property so I can make note of it and be better educated.

I don't think you are correct, so I will let you better educate me.


 Originally Posted By: m411b
Last I checked we have leash laws in TN, and if the owner allows their dog to run around off their property it's negligent. We also have a "Dangerous" dogs list here in TN.

You have the right to defend yourself from a viscous dog by means of deadly force. But only after it bites you "One" time due to our "One Bite Law". But if you kill a dog just because it's "Trying" to attack you, you will be at fault.

Get pictures, and video of the dog(s), and do what was done here. They cannot ignore that evidence. Animal Control cannot do anything unless they have that evidence, or catch the dog(s) away from the owners property.

TN actually has very strict dog laws. You just have to find the right person that actually cares to uphold those laws!

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stustnst44_17_101_505.htm


Bottom line if your dog goes onto someone elses land without permission. You are breaking the law.

http://www.mcgtn.org/sites/default/files/animal-control/Animal_Control_Regulations.pdf

This link is Montgomery Co. Animal Control's site. But it cites TN code. Scroll down to confinement, and at large.
http://www.mcgtn.org/animal-control/regulations


Edited by m411b (11/19/12 12:04 PM)

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#3040410 - 11/19/12 12:17 PM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: m411b]
scn
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 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
After a warning, dog gets shot. That dog may decide to chase a kid. Then what? I guess it's just instinct. Or maybe every hunter in tn that has dogs in their woods should go to a wma or the mountains with jarhead, cause its not the dogs fault if they bite somebody or chase deer. To hell with the leash law huh?


WOW! I guess I shouldn't let kids rabbit hunt with us then. My big bad mean beagles might chase one of them next.



If the "Beagles" are on YOUR property, then you shouldn't have a problem. But if the "Beagles" are on someone elses property, without permission from that landowner, then YOU are breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what type of dog it is. The law is the law, and you have no consideration for other landowners around you.


Please link me the law that they are violating if hunting dogs stray off of somebody's property so I can make note of it and be better educated.

I don't think you are correct, so I will let you better educate me.


 Originally Posted By: m411b
Last I checked we have leash laws in TN, and if the owner allows their dog to run around off their property it's negligent. We also have a "Dangerous" dogs list here in TN.

You have the right to defend yourself from a viscous dog by means of deadly force. But only after it bites you "One" time due to our "One Bite Law". But if you kill a dog just because it's "Trying" to attack you, you will be at fault.

Get pictures, and video of the dog(s), and do what was done here. They cannot ignore that evidence. Animal Control cannot do anything unless they have that evidence, or catch the dog(s) away from the owners property.

TN actually has very strict dog laws. You just have to find the right person that actually cares to uphold those laws!

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stustnst44_17_101_505.htm


Bottom line if your dog goes onto someone elses land without permission. You are breaking the law.

http://www.mcgtn.org/sites/default/files/animal-control/Animal_Control_Regulations.pdf

This link is Montgomery Co. Animal Control's site. But it cites TN code. Scroll down to confinement, and at large.
http://www.mcgtn.org/animal-control/regulations


State law supercedes any county ordinance. When it specifically says that dogs on a hunt are exempt from the leash laws, etc., it is pretty doubtful that those ordinances will hold up in court for a hunting animal.

Please link me to a state statute that supports your position. I still think you are wrong in your statement.


Edited by scn (11/19/12 12:32 PM)
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#3040419 - 11/19/12 12:22 PM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: scn]
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TCA 44-8-408:

(c) It is an exception to the application of this section that:

(1) The dog was on a hunt or chase;

(2) The dog was on the way to or from a hunt or chase;
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#3040424 - 11/19/12 12:24 PM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: scn]
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Can't we all just get along? Come on, I have never shot a dog in the woods and wouldn't unless it was a vicious dog that was acting aggressive toward me or someone else. Fact is dogs chase, they don't know it's wrong, and I couldn't shoot one, but if it's a wild pack of dogs or pitbull or something that is being overly aggressive toward a human, things would change. I just don't want it on my conscious that I shot some kids pet. JMO
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#3040439 - 11/19/12 12:30 PM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
After a warning, dog gets shot. That dog may decide to chase a kid. Then what? I guess it's just instinct. Or maybe every hunter in tn that has dogs in their woods should go to a wma or the mountains with jarhead, cause its not the dogs fault if they bite somebody or chase deer. To hell with the leash law huh?


WOW! I guess I shouldn't let kids rabbit hunt with us then. My big bad mean beagles might chase one of them next.



If the "Beagles" are on YOUR property, then you shouldn't have a problem. But if the "Beagles" are on someone elses property, without permission from that landowner, then YOU are breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what type of dog it is. The law is the law, and you have no consideration for other landowners around you.


Please link me the law that they are violating if hunting dogs stray off of somebody's property so I can make note of it and be better educated.

I don't think you are correct, so I will let you better educate me.


 Originally Posted By: m411b
Last I checked we have leash laws in TN, and if the owner allows their dog to run around off their property it's negligent. We also have a "Dangerous" dogs list here in TN.

You have the right to defend yourself from a viscous dog by means of deadly force. But only after it bites you "One" time due to our "One Bite Law". But if you kill a dog just because it's "Trying" to attack you, you will be at fault.

Get pictures, and video of the dog(s), and do what was done here. They cannot ignore that evidence. Animal Control cannot do anything unless they have that evidence, or catch the dog(s) away from the owners property.

TN actually has very strict dog laws. You just have to find the right person that actually cares to uphold those laws!

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stustnst44_17_101_505.htm


Bottom line if your dog goes onto someone elses land without permission. You are breaking the law.

http://www.mcgtn.org/sites/default/files/animal-control/Animal_Control_Regulations.pdf

This link is Montgomery Co. Animal Control's site. But it cites TN code. Scroll down to confinement, and at large.
http://www.mcgtn.org/animal-control/regulations


State law supercedes any county ordinance. When it specifically says that dogs on a hunt are exempt from the leash laws, etc., it is pretty doubtful that those ordinances will hold up in court.

Please link me to a state statute that supports your position.


http://statutes.laws.com/tennessee/title-44/chapter-8/part-4/44-8-408

 Quote:
(b) The owner of a dog commits an offense if that dog goes uncontrolled by the owner upon the premises of another without the consent of the owner of the premises or other person authorized to give consent, or goes uncontrolled by the owner upon a highway, public road, street or any other place open to the public generally.

(c) It is an exception to the application of this section that:

(1) The dog was on a hunt or chase;

(2) The dog was on the way to or from a hunt or chase;

(3) The dog was guarding or driving stock or on the way to guard or drive stock;

(4) The dog was being moved from one place to another by the owner of the dog;

(5) The dog is a police or military dog, the injury occurred during the course of the dog's official duties and the person injured was a party to, a participant in or suspected of being a party to or participant in the act or conduct that prompted the police or military to utilize the services of the dog;

(6) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the injured person was on the private property of the dog's owner with the intent to engage in unlawful activity while on the property;

(7) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the dog was protecting the dog's owner or other innocent party from attack by the injured person or an animal owned by the injured person;

(8) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the dog was securely confined in a kennel, crate or other enclosure; or

(9) The violation of subsection (b) occurred as a result of the injured person disturbing, harassing, assaulting or otherwise provoking the dog.


If the dog is specifically on a hunt or chase. It seems that is legal. But it is very unreasonable for that owner to allow that dog to hunt or chase 3 or 4 property lines away. In which case, the dog is "At Large".

For those of us that don't want other folks dogs on our land. We need to ban together and get this changed. That's if we can even change it.

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#3040455 - 11/19/12 12:35 PM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: m411b]
scn
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 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
After a warning, dog gets shot. That dog may decide to chase a kid. Then what? I guess it's just instinct. Or maybe every hunter in tn that has dogs in their woods should go to a wma or the mountains with jarhead, cause its not the dogs fault if they bite somebody or chase deer. To hell with the leash law huh?


WOW! I guess I shouldn't let kids rabbit hunt with us then. My big bad mean beagles might chase one of them next.



If the "Beagles" are on YOUR property, then you shouldn't have a problem. But if the "Beagles" are on someone elses property, without permission from that landowner, then YOU are breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what type of dog it is. The law is the law, and you have no consideration for other landowners around you.


Please link me the law that they are violating if hunting dogs stray off of somebody's property so I can make note of it and be better educated.

I don't think you are correct, so I will let you better educate me.


 Originally Posted By: m411b
Last I checked we have leash laws in TN, and if the owner allows their dog to run around off their property it's negligent. We also have a "Dangerous" dogs list here in TN.

You have the right to defend yourself from a viscous dog by means of deadly force. But only after it bites you "One" time due to our "One Bite Law". But if you kill a dog just because it's "Trying" to attack you, you will be at fault.

Get pictures, and video of the dog(s), and do what was done here. They cannot ignore that evidence. Animal Control cannot do anything unless they have that evidence, or catch the dog(s) away from the owners property.

TN actually has very strict dog laws. You just have to find the right person that actually cares to uphold those laws!

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stustnst44_17_101_505.htm


Bottom line if your dog goes onto someone elses land without permission. You are breaking the law.

http://www.mcgtn.org/sites/default/files/animal-control/Animal_Control_Regulations.pdf

This link is Montgomery Co. Animal Control's site. But it cites TN code. Scroll down to confinement, and at large.
http://www.mcgtn.org/animal-control/regulations


State law supercedes any county ordinance. When it specifically says that dogs on a hunt are exempt from the leash laws, etc., it is pretty doubtful that those ordinances will hold up in court.

Please link me to a state statute that supports your position.


http://statutes.laws.com/tennessee/title-44/chapter-8/part-4/44-8-408

 Quote:
(b) The owner of a dog commits an offense if that dog goes uncontrolled by the owner upon the premises of another without the consent of the owner of the premises or other person authorized to give consent, or goes uncontrolled by the owner upon a highway, public road, street or any other place open to the public generally.

(c) It is an exception to the application of this section that:

(1) The dog was on a hunt or chase;

(2) The dog was on the way to or from a hunt or chase;

(3) The dog was guarding or driving stock or on the way to guard or drive stock;

(4) The dog was being moved from one place to another by the owner of the dog;

(5) The dog is a police or military dog, the injury occurred during the course of the dog's official duties and the person injured was a party to, a participant in or suspected of being a party to or participant in the act or conduct that prompted the police or military to utilize the services of the dog;

(6) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the injured person was on the private property of the dog's owner with the intent to engage in unlawful activity while on the property;

(7) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the dog was protecting the dog's owner or other innocent party from attack by the injured person or an animal owned by the injured person;

(8) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the dog was securely confined in a kennel, crate or other enclosure; or

(9) The violation of subsection (b) occurred as a result of the injured person disturbing, harassing, assaulting or otherwise provoking the dog.


If the dog is specifically on a hunt or chase. It seems that is legal. But it is very unreasonable for that owner to allow that dog to hunt or chase 3 or 4 property lines away. In which case, the dog is "At Large".

For those of us that don't want other folks dogs on our land. We need to ban together and get this changed. That's if we can even change it.


Or, as hunters, we can realize that hunting with dogs is a very storied part of the TN hunting tradition, and we can ban together to fight any erosion of the rights to hunt such dogs.
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#3040476 - 11/19/12 12:50 PM Re: Why can't you tie up your dogs? [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: m411b
 Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
After a warning, dog gets shot. That dog may decide to chase a kid. Then what? I guess it's just instinct. Or maybe every hunter in tn that has dogs in their woods should go to a wma or the mountains with jarhead, cause its not the dogs fault if they bite somebody or chase deer. To hell with the leash law huh?


WOW! I guess I shouldn't let kids rabbit hunt with us then. My big bad mean beagles might chase one of them next.



If the "Beagles" are on YOUR property, then you shouldn't have a problem. But if the "Beagles" are on someone elses property, without permission from that landowner, then YOU are breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what type of dog it is. The law is the law, and you have no consideration for other landowners around you.


Please link me the law that they are violating if hunting dogs stray off of somebody's property so I can make note of it and be better educated.

I don't think you are correct, so I will let you better educate me.


 Originally Posted By: m411b
Last I checked we have leash laws in TN, and if the owner allows their dog to run around off their property it's negligent. We also have a "Dangerous" dogs list here in TN.

You have the right to defend yourself from a viscous dog by means of deadly force. But only after it bites you "One" time due to our "One Bite Law". But if you kill a dog just because it's "Trying" to attack you, you will be at fault.

Get pictures, and video of the dog(s), and do what was done here. They cannot ignore that evidence. Animal Control cannot do anything unless they have that evidence, or catch the dog(s) away from the owners property.

TN actually has very strict dog laws. You just have to find the right person that actually cares to uphold those laws!

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stustnst44_17_101_505.htm


Bottom line if your dog goes onto someone elses land without permission. You are breaking the law.

http://www.mcgtn.org/sites/default/files/animal-control/Animal_Control_Regulations.pdf

This link is Montgomery Co. Animal Control's site. But it cites TN code. Scroll down to confinement, and at large.
http://www.mcgtn.org/animal-control/regulations


State law supercedes any county ordinance. When it specifically says that dogs on a hunt are exempt from the leash laws, etc., it is pretty doubtful that those ordinances will hold up in court.

Please link me to a state statute that supports your position.


http://statutes.laws.com/tennessee/title-44/chapter-8/part-4/44-8-408

 Quote:
(b) The owner of a dog commits an offense if that dog goes uncontrolled by the owner upon the premises of another without the consent of the owner of the premises or other person authorized to give consent, or goes uncontrolled by the owner upon a highway, public road, street or any other place open to the public generally.

(c) It is an exception to the application of this section that:

(1) The dog was on a hunt or chase;

(2) The dog was on the way to or from a hunt or chase;

(3) The dog was guarding or driving stock or on the way to guard or drive stock;

(4) The dog was being moved from one place to another by the owner of the dog;

(5) The dog is a police or military dog, the injury occurred during the course of the dog's official duties and the person injured was a party to, a participant in or suspected of being a party to or participant in the act or conduct that prompted the police or military to utilize the services of the dog;

(6) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the injured person was on the private property of the dog's owner with the intent to engage in unlawful activity while on the property;

(7) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the dog was protecting the dog's owner or other innocent party from attack by the injured person or an animal owned by the injured person;

(8) The violation of subsection (b) occurred while the dog was securely confined in a kennel, crate or other enclosure; or

(9) The violation of subsection (b) occurred as a result of the injured person disturbing, harassing, assaulting or otherwise provoking the dog.


If the dog is specifically on a hunt or chase. It seems that is legal. But it is very unreasonable for that owner to allow that dog to hunt or chase 3 or 4 property lines away. In which case, the dog is "At Large".

For those of us that don't want other folks dogs on our land. We need to ban together and get this changed. That's if we can even change it.


Or, as hunters, we can realize that hunting with dogs is a very storied part of the TN hunting tradition, and we can ban together to fight any erosion of the rights to hunt such dogs.


I cant believe that its legal.I hate when my hunt is messed up bc someones dog runs on my lease but now i know its legal and i cant do anything.when my beagles ran off the property i was hunting i tried to caall them back.guess i didnt need to.

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