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#3035056 - 11/15/12 04:38 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
bowhunter163
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
Yeah well i have prove that's not true my buddy filmed a kids first deer harvest and it was a yearling buck based on the jaw bone and footage of this deer taring up a tree so no i.don't agree with what he is saying science can't prove everything. And even though he is "studying them for a living" does not mean he is right every time or has seen everything.
Worthless without the video .....


He's not talking about the small and medium sized trees . He's talking about large diameter trees . A small buck will not start a rub on a large tree . But he will come to the rub after it Is made to check it out and put his two cents in .


And you seem to be trying to start an argument here . Your first post was argumentative and had "an attitude " . We don't like all that childish nonsense over here ...... If you wanna argue go to archerytalk. \:\)
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#3035064 - 11/15/12 04:47 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: bowhunter163]
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I don't have an attitude yal think what ever he says is true. Common sense tells you some is not and some people have other opinions so i mean i don't agree with him i have seen it and other people have to. Just because he is a biologist does not mean all his data and conclusions are right. And many other biologist say the exact same thing i said. I am not saying he is bad at what he does are that MOST deer follow his conclusion but not all do. That's all I'm saying. I don't have an attitude at all.
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#3035099 - 11/15/12 05:18 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
bowhunter163
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I don't have an attitude yal think what ever he says is true. Common sense tells you some is not and some people have other opinions so i mean i don't agree with him i have seen it and other people have to. Just because he is a biologist does not mean all his data and conclusions are right. And many other biologist say the exact same thing i said. I am not saying he is bad at what he does are that MOST deer follow his conclusion but not all do. That's all I'm saying. I don't have an attitude at all.
The biologists you speak of are probably considering young deer In a different category , saying immature bucks will rub big trees . What they mean are immature bucks "In their mind 2 1/2 " can and will start rubs on bigger sized trees ... I think BSK is calling an older deer 2 1/2 or older . Not a mature deer . I dont think he is saying every big rub is started by a mature 4 1/2 yr old deer . Let's just say that if the tree is as big as my leg I don't care what you or anyone else says a 1 1/2 yr old buck did not initiate it . A yearling will come scent check it and tickle it a little , but a 2 1/2 yr old buck or older has initiated it .

I know I'm giving in to keep this argument going but I'm just trying to explain this in a different light . Because what BSK is saying is not wrong.


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#3035135 - 11/15/12 05:43 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: bowhunter163]
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I hunted a 171 inch deer several years back.He had a rub line that was in about a 3 mile circle,cedars the size of my leg.He was finally taken by a guy on down from where I was huntin.I saw several younger deer hit these rubs when I hunted them.I knew they didnt start these rubs cause this deer was seen for 3 years at night by coonhunters.This deer had rubbed at least 200 to 300 trees.
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#3035150 - 11/15/12 05:53 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: ClubHead]
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Dh10 you might want to try and learn from the info here instead of trying to assert your dominance over bsk. He might snort wheeze at you and you know a 4 point doesn't stand much chance against a non-typical......
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#3035158 - 11/15/12 05:58 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: catman529]
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I'm not trying to state my dominance over any one. I stated that i have a different opinion. I respect his stand on the issue. But i don't buy this one it just doesn't make sense to me. That's all i am saying all his people jumped my case and i defended my stance. That is all
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#3035172 - 11/15/12 06:07 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: catman529]
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Dh10, you must be huntin some mean bucks! Gotta say I've never seen a young buck walk up to an unworked ten inch tree and shred it! Take me with you, sounds like you could teach me a lot!
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#3035183 - 11/15/12 06:13 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: Mudbone]
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I never said a 10 tree but i have seen little bucks tare up a good size tree.
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#3039990 - 11/19/12 08:19 AM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I know he is a biologist but there is absolutely no way to 100 percent say that small bucks cant rub big trees before a mature buck does. There is no way to prove that. At all


Numerous studies have been conducted on buck rubbing behavior. Although it is impossible to say young bucks never initiated rubs on large diameter trees, it would not be the norm, nor common. Rubs on large diameter trees are almost always initiated by older bucks, although even a 2 1/2 year-old will initiate rubs on some pretty big trees.

From my research, I found that rubbed trees the diameter of a Coke can were very indicative of the population of 2 1/2+ year-old bucks in the area. The more trees of this size rubbed in the area, the more 2 1/2+ year-old bucks in the area.
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#3039992 - 11/19/12 08:19 AM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
And plus science is wrong a lot. A whole lot


And that's the comment of someone who will never "get it."
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