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#3034923 - 11/15/12 03:08 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
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#3034931 - 11/15/12 03:14 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
There is absolutely no way that anyone could prove that. Every buck has a different personality. So who says a little four point couldn't tear up a decent size tree. Science cannot prove that at all.


VVVVVV That was a scientific answer.... we know him as a Deer Biologist.

 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
Big and small deer can rub big or small trees just never know til you start hunting it.


Not necessarily the case. All age bucks will initiate rubs on small-diameter trees. But only older bucks initiate rubs on large diameter trees. However, once initiated, all rubs are communal, in that every buck in the area may rework the rub another buck started. When it comes to true sign-post rubs (those trees that are rubbed year after year), every deer in the area will work them, and does will sniff and lick them. That is the rubs purpose--a communal "pheramone wick."
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#3034936 - 11/15/12 03:19 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I know he is a biologist but there is absolutely no way to 100 percent say that small bucks cant rub big trees before a mature buck does. There is no way to prove that. At all
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#3034952 - 11/15/12 03:38 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
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I think I see dh10's point, even off 99 out of 100 times a mature buck rubs a bigger tree, maybe there is that odd one out, young deer that rubs a bigger tree. But if bsk says only the older deer rub bigger trees, then even if there is a minuscule chance of it being some little deer, I'd say a big rub on a wide tree would be almost definitely an older buck.
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#3034971 - 11/15/12 03:46 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: catman529]
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Of course when you see a big rub you think big deer but as cat said and.my point there is no way to prove it. And plus science is wrong a lot. A whole lot
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#3034980 - 11/15/12 03:54 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
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#3035004 - 11/15/12 04:04 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
There is absolutely no way that anyone could prove that. Every buck has a different personality. So who says a little four point couldn't tear up a decent size tree. Science cannot prove that at all.


Based on this reasoning . . . how do we even know that a deer made the "rub"? Perhaps it was black panther using the tree as a scratching posts to sharpen his claws. Science can't prove that there isn't a black panther scratching trees in that area. So people need to stop posting pictures of their scarred up trees assuming that deer are to blame.

Although science can't prove that it wasn't a black panther, based on everything we know about deer and their activity, we can safely assume that this is a deer rub.

Similarly, it is my understanding that BSK has devoted the majority of his life to studying deer and deer behavior. Therefore he knows more about deer social behavior than . . . well . . . everyone else here. And based on what he knows about deer, it's safe to say that large rubs are started by 2.5+ deer. That's good enough for me.

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#3035008 - 11/15/12 04:09 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: Dbllunger]
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That tree looks to have been rubbed the year before, then again this year. You can see the core of the tree where the bark split open.

Edited by StalkingWolf (11/15/12 04:11 PM)

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#3035014 - 11/15/12 04:12 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: Southern Sportsman]
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Yeah well i have prove that's not true my buddy filmed a kids first deer harvest and it was a yearling buck based on the jaw bone and footage of this deer taring up a tree so no i.don't agree with what he is saying science can't prove everything. And even though he is "studying them for a living" does not mean he is right every time or has seen everything.
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#3035016 - 11/15/12 04:12 PM Re: Mature buck rub? [Re: Southern Sportsman]
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Talk about arguing with a fence post. And women get a bad rap for trying to get the last word in. I may have to come read here more often. \:\)
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