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#3034019 - 11/15/12 07:50 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
Imo he's 3.5 he doesn't seem to have the mass of a 4.5 or 5.5 deer we have killed 3.5 year olds before and field dressed over 200 pounds so can't just go off of body. He has a good good body but not much mass for me to say he is above 3.5. Imo


Are you talking antler mass? If so, never, never, never use antlers to judge age. Antlers will fool you more often than any other body feature. In any given location, each age-class of buck will grow such a wide range of antler sizes that there will be overlap between the largest-antlered yearling buck and the smallest-antlered mature buck. And that goes for every aspect of antler size, from beam length to number of points to mass to tine length to spread to gross score. The most accurate measure of age is body conformation, and of all the possible body conformations, neck size near the rut and chest depth in relation to front leg length are the two best age indicators.
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#3034084 - 11/15/12 08:33 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: BSK]
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So, BSK, where do you stand in regards to aging deer by the jaw bone? On the hoof in pictures with all the different body formations is one thing, but after harvest is all the body characteristics thrown out and solely age the deer by the jawbone?
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#3034098 - 11/15/12 08:39 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: SelphLogging]
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No you go by ever detail you can its a proven fact that mass comes with age.
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#3034125 - 11/15/12 08:50 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: SelphLogging]
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 Originally Posted By: SelphLogging
So, BSK, where do you stand in regards to aging deer by the jaw bone? On the hoof in pictures with all the different body formations is one thing, but after harvest is all the body characteristics thrown out and solely age the deer by the jawbone?


I was only commenting on field-judging buck age (by eye or from trail-camera picture). The best over-all judgement of age is toothwear in the Southeast and cementum annuli in the Midwest and North.
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#3034127 - 11/15/12 08:50 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
No you go by ever detail you can its a proven fact that mass comes with age.


Actually it is NOT proven fact.
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#3034138 - 11/15/12 08:54 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: deerhunter10]
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Depends on what you call mass, not every deer is blessed with 5" bases. Ive killed a 6.5+, probably 7.5, that I had pics for 2 years in a row and he lost no mass due to old age, and he only had 4" bases. And 4" bases is common in 3yr olds.

If I could post pics, I have a 2 yr old with mass that would blow your mind for his age

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#3034146 - 11/15/12 08:55 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: String Music]
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Ok now I want a tooth wear aging chart for my truck
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#3034158 - 11/15/12 08:58 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: SelphLogging]
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Bsk, there was a (by the teeth) 3.5 killed not far from us in humphreys, that field dressed 200lbs. Had quit bigger head than my 6.5+ deer, and had a 7.5"+ eye to nose measurement. Most 3yr olds have 7"
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#3034169 - 11/15/12 09:01 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: htnseymour]
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 Originally Posted By: htnseymour
Ok now I want a tooth wear aging chart for my truck
Print this field guide off on a color printer and keep it in your truck. You can go one step further and get the sheets laminated at a FedEx office location which will in turn make it waterproof/weatherproof.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-deer_aging.pdf
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#3034177 - 11/15/12 09:05 AM Re: Mature buck or not?...PICS ADDED [Re: SelphLogging]
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I guess for me, I am running across more conflicting body details vs. tooth wear more and more. I see tons of bucks dead every year come through my buddy's processing/taxidermy shop each yr that conflict the two aging methods.

We have side bets on score and age all the time, and it gets comical sometimes

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