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#3024489 - 11/09/12 07:55 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Rick Dillard]
Jerkasourous of the non-typical kind

Registered: 03/11/99
Posts: 65979
Loc: Nashville, TN

 Originally Posted By: Rick Dillard
Many hunters have always talked about a secondary rut occurring approximately 28 days after the first peak rut. Does this mean that there is not a secondary peak, and that it just gradually declines over the period shown in your graph?

A couple of thoughts on this...

In local deer populations with adequate herd dynamics (adult sex ratio and buck age structure), no 2nd or 3rd rut should occur. In these situations, what most hunters are seeing in these late surges of breeding activity is female fawns finally growing to the size where they are physically capable of acheiving estrus and being bred.

In areas with very poor herd dynamics, a "trickle rut" can occur, where a little breeding occurs over a long period of time. The worst case of trickle rut I've ever documented was a breeding process exceed 100 days instead of the normal 5-6 weeks. That's breeding occuring over a period exceeding three months! However, even in that strung out breeding data, I did not see multiple peaks of breeding a month apart, like the 2nd and 3rd rut theory suggests. I suspect that is because the females in the area didn't not have equally timed estrus periods. So even if does are cycling in and out of estrus every 28-30 days (which they absolutely do if not bred their first estrus cycle), these cycles did not line up on the same dates to produce two or three noticeable peaks in the conception data.

Now after throwing some cold water on the "2nd rut" theory, let me point out that conception data only displays successful breedings. It does not indicate buck rutting behavior. When reviewing trail-camera data from various locations around the country, I often DO see destinct periodicity on a one month cycle of bucks performing rut-related behaviors (especially scrape making/working). In fact, these monthly cycles of buck rutting behavior actually start exactly 30 days prior to the actual peak of breeding (what some hunters call the "false rut"). I will usually see a peak of scrape-working a month prior to peak breeding, then just before peak breeding, and then a month after peak breeding. Exactly what these bucks are responding to is unknown. Is this something internal to their own bodies, or is this bucks responding to the hormonal cycles of does, whether actual conceptions occur or not? I do not know the answer to that.

So as a confusing answer to your question, I do not see 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. peaks in actual conceptions, but I DO often see cyclical peaks in buck rutting behavior that match the idea of a 2nd, 3rd, etc. rut.
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#3024699 - 11/09/12 09:50 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Methane]
4 Point

Registered: 09/25/06
Posts: 331
Loc: Franklin, TN

[quote=Methane]I hunt about two to three miles east of Bellwood (above poster) and have not seen any activity this week. I consider this particular area "east grassland" near Old Hillsboro/HWY 96 intersection. [/quote

I meant to say "west grassland."

#3024720 - 11/09/12 09:55 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Methane]
Hollar Hunter
8 Point

Registered: 11/05/10
Posts: 2296
Loc: TN

I just came up 65N from springhill and seen 2 studs walking across 2 different fields by themselves.

Spend your time where you get the most return on it...

#3025068 - 11/09/12 12:53 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Hollar Hunter]

Registered: 11/01/07
Posts: 67
Loc: franklin,tn

Saw some chasing this morning, a tall racked buck and a smaller 6. Killed an 8 that was tending a doe. Heard one other shot. Leipers Fork.
#3025448 - 11/09/12 05:18 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: bellwood]
16 Point

Registered: 12/01/07
Posts: 10229
Loc: Franklin, TN

Saw a small buck at 11:30 on Lewisburg Pike in a field with his mouth open taking in doe smell!
#3025472 - 11/09/12 05:41 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]
Anonymous TnDeer Old Timer

Saw my first bigger buck chasing today. Next few days will be good. Southern Williamson.
#3025780 - 11/09/12 08:42 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]

Registered: 02/04/09
Posts: 96
Loc: Franklin, tn

I hunted last saturday, saw a good buck with not a care in the world of the doe behind him. Then again on Teusday. However, this morning I came to a stop at Arno Rd. from Gosey Hill and saw a nice 8pt. on a mission. I think this weekend and all next week will be perfect time to be in the woods.
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