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#3025179 - 11/09/12 02:07 PM CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand
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Hit a doe low and lost her last weekend.

Went to check zero on my Accura and it was perfect off a lead sled.

I tried to simulate shooting from my ladder stand by shooting from a chair with no rest. It shot 6" low.

My ladder stand does not have a gun rail.

The range owner is a former competitive black powder shooter.

He said some people don't follow through when they shoot.

Anyone shoot low off hand?

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#3025201 - 11/09/12 02:16 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: UTGrad]
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Are you wraping your whole hand and fingers around the barrel and gun? If you do that,it could pull the barrel down into the stock,there for lowering your POI.
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#3025212 - 11/09/12 02:24 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
Are you wraping your whole hand and fingers around the barrel and gun? If you do that,it could pull the barrel down into the stock,there for lowering your POI.


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#3025237 - 11/09/12 02:40 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: UTGrad]
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That is a bit excessive I would think!. Have you tried to shoot it just shooting off a rest like a sand bag just in the front and only resting on the forearm not the barrel.
Just holding a rifle different will cause POI to change but like I said 6" is a bit excessive I would think for a muzzleloader.
Just try different things and see what your results are.
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#3025254 - 11/09/12 02:55 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: 280longshot]
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I am inclined to think it is the difference in the way you are shouldering the rifle differently compared to the lead sled. Possibly the view point through the scope is slightly different as well when shouldered free hand.

Just my thoughts.

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#3025293 - 11/09/12 03:22 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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The lead slead will do that. shoot it off sandbags and sight it in and you will be good.
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#3025757 - 11/09/12 08:29 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: muddyboots]
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got to use sand bags


lead sled is waste of money IMO
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#3025819 - 11/09/12 08:59 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: Deer Assassin]
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Just hold the front of the rifle when its it the sled. Muzzle jump on the sled is moving you poi up.
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#3025848 - 11/09/12 09:26 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: Rubberduck270]
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no problems with my lead sled, shoots center off hand on shooting sticks or the sled. I dont put any weight on mine though.
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#3025909 - 11/09/12 10:38 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: FrontierGander]
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I don't really see the rest causing that. As with the lead sled the shooter has as little effect on the shot as possible. You think it might be the shooter???? ;\)
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#3025928 - 11/09/12 11:10 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: TITANSFAN2104]
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 Originally Posted By: TITANSFAN2104
As with the lead sled the shooter has as little effect on the shot as possible.

Exactly. When he shoots from the rest essentially all hes touching is the trigger. The rifle is free to muzzle jump when he shoots and the barrel rises before the bullet leaves the barrel causing the poi to rise. When shooting off-hand he grips the forearm and muzzle jump is minimized thus moving his poi down.
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#3026384 - 11/10/12 12:21 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
 Originally Posted By: TITANSFAN2104
As with the lead sled the shooter has as little effect on the shot as possible.

Exactly. When he shoots from the rest essentially all hes touching is the trigger. The rifle is free to muzzle jump when he shoots and the barrel rises before the bullet leaves the barrel causing the poi to rise. When shooting off-hand he grips the forearm and muzzle jump is minimized thus moving his poi down.


Now wait a minute folks lol

I do grip the fore end stock when shooting off the sled.

I think it's me not following through the shot. I might be letting the barrel fall low at the moment I pull the trigger.

Time to practice!

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#3026385 - 11/10/12 12:22 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: Rubberduck270]
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Really guys the bullet is gone before the barrel jumps. The lead sled does change poi on most guns.
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#3028576 - 11/11/12 10:09 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: Deer Assassin]
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 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
got to use sand bags
lead sled is waste of money IMO


I have read critical remarks about led sled usage being detrimental to many scopes. Seems the recoil is controlled from the gun and th e reverberation is going thru the scope and destroying it internally. Guess that recoil has to effect something. Anyway, this is what i have read in reviews. Any one experience this? \:\(
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#3028645 - 11/12/12 12:05 AM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: Boone 58]
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keep in mind, the stories you hear are the ones loaded down with 50-75lbs worth of sand.
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#3031384 - 11/13/12 01:39 PM Re: CVA Hits Perfect Off Bench but Shoots Low Offhand [Re: FrontierGander]
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You might also consider getting your trigger weight adjusted. A lot of people have accuracy problems with muzzleloaders because they have heavy trigger pulls along with an (obviously) longer shot sequence due to the slight delay in powder ignition.

Fix the things you can, and then work on yourself \:\)
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