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#3023485 - 11/08/12 04:06 PM Williamson County Rut Report?
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Hoping to hunt Williamson this weekend.

Any thoughts at what stage the rut is in Williamson?

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#3023498 - 11/08/12 04:11 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: UTGrad]
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as of monday I saw some interest/ doe following but no chasing yet
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#3023504 - 11/08/12 04:20 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: catman529]
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North Williamson is getting started. Saw a big one shot yesterday.
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#3023564 - 11/08/12 04:54 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: passthrough76]
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Saturday and Sunday they ran does like crazy. We killed two of our shooters, one a 6.5 year old and the other a 4.5 both following does. I missed a big deer I was after Sunday morning; I am not sure what he was doing because he came in behind me. All our scrapes have been completely dead since Saturday. I haven't had a chance to get back out there in the last two days but I did check some cameras on Tuesday and only had pictures of 1.5 year old bucks. So I am assuming they are locked down with does. It is strange though, we have never seen them rut this early or this hard ever.
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#3023572 - 11/08/12 05:02 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: 156p&y]
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
All our scrapes have been completely dead since Saturday. I haven't had a chance to get back out there in the last two days but I did check some cameras on Tuesday and only had pictures of 1.5 year old bucks. So I am assuming they are locked down with does.


Yup, sounds like breeding is peaking.
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#3023578 - 11/08/12 05:07 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: BSK]
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Dang

Hope it's not too late. Was hoping to try this weekend.

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#3023587 - 11/08/12 05:14 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: UTGrad]
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Every property is different. You can go just 10 miles away and nothing has even happened yet. My dad hunted an extremely well managed farm just about 40 miles West of our place and nothing is going on at all.

But for me I think my main opportunity has passed on the property I hunt. I am satisfied. I didn't get a deer but I got a chance and that is all I can ask for. Late season for me is probably my best chance or wait on a massive front to move in and force the deer to move, but you never know.
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#3023608 - 11/08/12 05:38 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Hoping to hunt Williamson this weekend.

Any thoughts at what stage the rut is in Williamson?



from my buddies reports, still early. should eb right the end of the first week of rifle
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#3023610 - 11/08/12 05:39 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Dang

Hope it's not too late. Was hoping to try this weekend.


lol, your fine.
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#3023634 - 11/08/12 06:01 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: 156p&y]
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
Every property is different. You can go just 10 miles away and nothing has even happened yet. My dad hunted an extremely well managed farm just about 40 miles West of our place and nothing is going on at all.

But for me I think my main opportunity has passed on the property I hunt. I am satisfied. I didn't get a deer but I got a chance and that is all I can ask for. Late season for me is probably my best chance or wait on a massive front to move in and force the deer to move, but you never know.


I am just down the road about 12 miles as the crow flies from 156's property and I am not seeing any of the action they saw last weekend. My scrapes and rubs are still heating up and I'm guessing it should be happening this weekend for me. It is amazing how just a few miles can make. I have been in the woods every day since last Friday....
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#3023856 - 11/08/12 07:57 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]
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I hunted Leipers Fork this afternoon and did not see any chasing, did see a doe with two younger deer. Hunted Clarksville last weekend and saw young bucks chasing all weekend.
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#3023907 - 11/08/12 08:24 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]
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Watched a little buck make a scrape Wed. Ill be out in the A.M and report back
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#3023924 - 11/08/12 08:29 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: geezer]
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I hunt about two to three miles east of Bellwood (above poster) and have not seen any activity this week. I consider this particular area "east grassland" near Old Hillsboro/HWY 96 intersection.
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#3023953 - 11/08/12 08:40 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Methane]
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We hunted Williamson County this past weekend and saw over ten different bucks out checking field edges. I shot a 9 pt Sunday morning that was cruising fields. My partner watched two 6 points go at it for 5 minutes. Other than the 9 pt they were all young bucks...nothing big yet. This weekend should be HOT.

We were hunting just off of Wilson Pike.
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#3023957 - 11/08/12 08:42 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Methane]
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friend hunts alot of farms in the fairview and LF area. says it is as slow as he ever seen it. but they will get there. he did see three shooters together on a neighboring property
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#3023996 - 11/08/12 08:56 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]
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I had a huge buck run in front of my atv 2 weeks ago while i was scouting for the juvenile hunt. He was chasing a mature doe all across the field I was in. I have never seen bucks chase that early. I have witnessed bucks chasing doe's in February a few times though.
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#3024403 - 11/09/12 06:59 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: 156p&y]
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
Every property is different. You can go just 10 miles away and nothing has even happened yet.


I completely agree. For whatever reason, breeding traditionally peaks a week or so earlier on my place than it does on my cousins' property just 6 or 7 air miles away. The rut even seems to peak earlier on my place than it does on Cathole Club which is virtually my next-door neighbor.
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#3024415 - 11/09/12 07:09 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: BSK]
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Also remember than even in an area with a tightly timed rut, breeding takes 5-6 weeks to complete. The "peak of breeding" is just the 10-day to two week period when more than 50% of does will be bred, and it is normally at the front end of the entire breeding process. In essence, breeding peaks very quickly, and then tails off over the following weeks.

Below is a graph of conception dates for a property with a mid-November peak of breeding. The entire breeding process took 6 weeks. However, the peak of breeding was the two weeks from November 15 to 28, when 65% of does were bred. However, a little breeding took place the week prior to the 2-week peak (Nov. 8-14) nd then breeding tailed off during the three weeks following the 2-week peak (Nov. 29-Dec. 19). This data shows how estrus chasing can be seen any time over a 6 week period, although breeding is maximized during a two week period termed the "peak of breeding."

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#3024436 - 11/09/12 07:23 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: BSK]
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Thank you BSK.
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#3024458 - 11/09/12 07:39 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: BSK]
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[quote=BSK]Also remember than even in an area with a tightly timed rut, breeding takes 5-6 weeks to complete. The "peak of breeding" is just the 10-day to two week period when more than 50% of does will be bred, and it is normally at the front end of the entire breeding process. In essence, breeding peaks very quickly, and then tails off over the following weeks.

BSK,
Many hunters have always talked about a secondary rut occurring approximately 28 days after the first peak rut. Does this mean that there is not a secondary peak, and that it just gradually declines over the period shown in your graph?

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#3024489 - 11/09/12 07:55 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Rick Dillard]
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 Originally Posted By: Rick Dillard
BSK,
Many hunters have always talked about a secondary rut occurring approximately 28 days after the first peak rut. Does this mean that there is not a secondary peak, and that it just gradually declines over the period shown in your graph?


A couple of thoughts on this...

In local deer populations with adequate herd dynamics (adult sex ratio and buck age structure), no 2nd or 3rd rut should occur. In these situations, what most hunters are seeing in these late surges of breeding activity is female fawns finally growing to the size where they are physically capable of acheiving estrus and being bred.

In areas with very poor herd dynamics, a "trickle rut" can occur, where a little breeding occurs over a long period of time. The worst case of trickle rut I've ever documented was a breeding process exceed 100 days instead of the normal 5-6 weeks. That's breeding occuring over a period exceeding three months! However, even in that strung out breeding data, I did not see multiple peaks of breeding a month apart, like the 2nd and 3rd rut theory suggests. I suspect that is because the females in the area didn't not have equally timed estrus periods. So even if does are cycling in and out of estrus every 28-30 days (which they absolutely do if not bred their first estrus cycle), these cycles did not line up on the same dates to produce two or three noticeable peaks in the conception data.

Now after throwing some cold water on the "2nd rut" theory, let me point out that conception data only displays successful breedings. It does not indicate buck rutting behavior. When reviewing trail-camera data from various locations around the country, I often DO see destinct periodicity on a one month cycle of bucks performing rut-related behaviors (especially scrape making/working). In fact, these monthly cycles of buck rutting behavior actually start exactly 30 days prior to the actual peak of breeding (what some hunters call the "false rut"). I will usually see a peak of scrape-working a month prior to peak breeding, then just before peak breeding, and then a month after peak breeding. Exactly what these bucks are responding to is unknown. Is this something internal to their own bodies, or is this bucks responding to the hormonal cycles of does, whether actual conceptions occur or not? I do not know the answer to that.

So as a confusing answer to your question, I do not see 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. peaks in actual conceptions, but I DO often see cyclical peaks in buck rutting behavior that match the idea of a 2nd, 3rd, etc. rut.
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#3024699 - 11/09/12 09:50 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Methane]
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[quote=Methane]I hunt about two to three miles east of Bellwood (above poster) and have not seen any activity this week. I consider this particular area "east grassland" near Old Hillsboro/HWY 96 intersection. [/quote

I meant to say "west grassland."

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#3024720 - 11/09/12 09:55 AM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Methane]
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I just came up 65N from springhill and seen 2 studs walking across 2 different fields by themselves.
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#3025068 - 11/09/12 12:53 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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Saw some chasing this morning, a tall racked buck and a smaller 6. Killed an 8 that was tending a doe. Heard one other shot. Leipers Fork.
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#3025448 - 11/09/12 05:18 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: bellwood]
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Saw a small buck at 11:30 on Lewisburg Pike in a field with his mouth open taking in doe smell!
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#3025472 - 11/09/12 05:41 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]
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Saw my first bigger buck chasing today. Next few days will be good. Southern Williamson.
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#3025780 - 11/09/12 08:42 PM Re: Williamson County Rut Report? [Re: Deck78]
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I hunted last saturday, saw a good buck with not a care in the world of the doe behind him. Then again on Teusday. However, this morning I came to a stop at Arno Rd. from Gosey Hill and saw a nice 8pt. on a mission. I think this weekend and all next week will be perfect time to be in the woods.
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